Your decision as a referee in the following fights

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The history of boxing is full of controversial or dispatable decisions made by referees. If you were the referee in the following fights, what your decisions would be? Do you agree/disagree with the referees decisions?

    1) Judah vs Mayweather - Judah hit Mayweather with a blatant low blow followed by a punch to the back of the head. As the referee called timeout to give Mayweather a chance to recover, Mayweather's uncle and trainer, Roger Mayweather, entered the ring and went after Judah.

    2) Norris - Santana 1 - Norris was disqualified in the fifth round for a rabbit punch. The blow came with a minute left in the round, after Norris had hammered Santana against the ropes. As Santana turned away from Norris, he was nailed in the back of the head and fell to the floor

    3) Norris - Santana 2 - Norris floored Santana with a right to the chin after the bell ending round three. Like the first fight, Santana was taken from the ring on a stretcher and Norris was disqualified.

    4) Bowe - Tillery 1. Although it appeared that the round should have been over after the standing eight-count, the two fighters were allowed to continue for another 10-15 seconds. After the referee called an end to the round, in retaliation to a jab after the bell by Bowe, Tillery kicked Bowe three times. As a melee ensued, Tillery was pulled backwards over the ropes and onto the floor by Bowe's manager Rock Newman. Tillery was disqualified for "a flagrant kick".

    5) Bowe - Mathis. Mathis was dropped and then KO'd while he was down. Ruled No contest

    6) Lewis - Akinwande. Henry was DQ'd for repeated holding.

    7) Lewis - Grant. Lewis KO'd Grant with right uppercut while holding his head with the left hand.

    8) Lewis - Vitali - NO controversy, but if you were the referee, would you stop it earlier, of after 6 too, or later?

    9) Golota - Pouha. Golota bit Pou'ha on the shoulder in round 4.

    10) Tyson - Holyfield 2. The most famous DQ result of all time.

    11) Roy Jones jr - Montell Griffin

    12) George Foreman - Jose Roman. Foreman hit Roman with a right to the jaw while he was down

    13) Tyson - Botha. Infamous brawl after round 1 when Tyson tries to break Botha's arm.

    14) Tua - Rahman 1. Tua hurts Rahman after the bell, referee doesn't take points off Tua and doesn't give Rahman the rest. Rahman is stopped in the following round.

    15) Bruno - Ferguson. Bruno hurts Ferguson while holding him with left hand, then finally drops him with 3 shots to the back of the head. Drops him again with holding and hitting at the same time. Moments later referee stops the fight.

    It would be interesting to read your opinions and in which cases you agree/disagree with referees. Cheers
     
  2. BCS8

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    Maybe narrow it down a bit.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Here's the main issue. Boxing has NO OFFICAL instant replay, but they should.

    With the aid of replay incase the ref missed it, I'd rule the following ways:

    1) Judah vs Mayweather - Judah hit Mayweather with a blatant low blow followed by a punch to the back of the head. As the referee called timeout to give Mayweather a chance to recover, Mayweather's uncle and trainer, Roger Mayweather, entered the ring and went after Judah.

    >> Warning issued. Point taken away or DQ the next time

    2) Norris - Santana 1 - Norris was disqualified in the fifth round for a rabbit punch. The blow came with a minute left in the round, after Norris had hammered Santana against the ropes. As Santana turned away from Norris, he was nailed in the back of the head and fell to the floor

    >> A DQ or No contest is fine.

    3) Norris - Santana 2 - Norris floored Santana with a right to the chin after the bell ending round three. Like the first fight, Santana was taken from the ring on a stretcher and Norris was disqualified.

    >> How late after the bell? More than 2 seconds, DQ. Less than 1 second, I'd let is slide.

    4) Bowe - Tillery 1. Although it appeared that the round should have been over after the standing eight-count, the two fighters were allowed to continue for another 10-15 seconds. After the referee called an end to the round, in retaliation to a jab after the bell by Bowe, Tillery kicked Bowe three times. As a melee ensued, Tillery was pulled backwards over the ropes and onto the floor by Bowe's manager Rock Newman. Tillery was disqualified for "a flagrant kick".

    >> I'd fine Rock Newman. The DQ is the right call.

    5) Bowe - Mathis. Mathis was dropped and then KO'd while he was down. Ruled No contest

    >> The correct ruling

    6) Lewis - Akinwande. Henry was DQ'd for repeated holding.

    >> I would have taken points away, not DQ'd him.

    7) Lewis - Grant. Lewis KO'd Grant with right uppercut while holding his head with the left hand.

    >> A clear foul. No Contest, and re-match.

    8) Lewis - Vitali - NO controversy, but if you were the referee, would you stop it earlier, of after 6 too, or later?

    >>>> What do you mean no controversy here? The film shows Lewis landed an illegal backhand swipe with the glove on Vitali's eye region, seconds later we saw a cut! Sources like fight news says tape on Lewis' glove caused the cut. Since the ref did not see this, you do not go to the cards after 4 rounds. At the end of round six, the eye was okay for vision, in my opinion, I would have liked to have seen round seven, but the doctor can stop the fight. Lewis was very tired after the 6th, down 4-2 on all three cards. The WBC correctly ordered a re-match. Lewis did not take it.

    9) Golota - Pouha. Golota bit Pou'ha on the shoulder in round 4.

    >>DQ Golota on the spot.

    10) Tyson - Holyfield 2. The most famous DQ result of all time.

    >> Same thing, and I'd fine Tyson.

    11) Roy Jones jr - Montell Griffin

    >> DQ

    12) George Foreman - Jose Roman. Foreman hit Roman with a right to the jaw while he was down

    >> I'd leave this one alone. Roman was on the way out, but I'd fine Foreman.

    13) Tyson - Botha. Infamous brawl after round 1 when Tyson tries to break Botha's arm.

    >> Take a point away from Tyson.

    14) Tua - Rahman 1. Tua hurts Rahman after the bell, referee doesn't take points off Tua and doesn't give Rahman the rest. Rahman is stopped in the following round.

    >> A no contest fight with a re-match.

    15) Bruno - Ferguson. Bruno hurts Ferguson while holding him with left hand, then finally drops him with 3 shots to the back of the head. Drops him again with holding and hitting at the same time. Moments later referee stops the fight.

    >>> I have not seen this one. Video is needed!
     
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  4. Mark Adam

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    Ferguson was completely finished when jumped on the floor against Bruno nobody cares if his head was being held, I don`t even think bothered training for the fight, months before Bowe had knocked Ferguson out in a round without holding the back of his head and Grant had a weak chin and was completely out of his depth vs Lewis, so who cares?
     
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    The wouldn`t have been able to sell a rematch between Lewis and Grant, Lewis was far too much for the American and his china chin, Grant got exposed before he fought Lewis when he was badly hurt by a low level contender, complete hype job.
     
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    You would have taken 12 points off Akinwande then, he clung on for deer life and wasn`t fighting it was awful, Mills Lane just got annoyed with his holding so he kicked him out of there he had no intention of fighting, I`ve never seen holding like that, it was funny.
     
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  7. Inside pass

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    Mill lane did exceptional in Tyson holyfield 2 and lewis akawande.
    Took control and put his authority on difficult situations.
    So I would go with the decisions he made there.
    I'll go with Steele decision to continue the may Judah fight.
    Although technically a DQ. (By the corners).
     
  8. mcvey

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    ) Lewis - Grant. Lewis KO'd Grant with right uppercut while holding his head with the left hand.

    >> A clear foul. No Contest, and re-match.

    Yeah because Grant wasn't holding Lewis was he?lol!

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  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That anti-Lewis brigade just reach further and further.
     
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    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This reads^ like a very stale claim, due to over-repetition, without there ever having been any substantial evidence to back it up.

    I'd like to see the evidence on film that proves your case, here. Assuming you are referring to round-3 of the fight, can you refer me to the point in time, within this round, that the so-called 'illegal backhand' is supposed to have occurred. It must have happened very early in the round, but I've never seen what you describe.
     
  11. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd like to see it too. If you were the referee of Lewis vs Vitali, when would you stop the fight? Knowing that Vitali was already badly cut after 3rd.
     
  12. Saad54

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    Bowe should have been DQd against Mathis.

    Bowe and Tillery should see been a No Contest.

    Zab and Roger Mayweather actions cancelled each other out but Zab could have been DQd before Roger acted out. I am glad they let the fight play out.
     
  13. Man_Machine

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    It was bad enough, after round 3 to cause grave concerns. The referee could have stopped the bout after round 5, in my opinion. But, letting VK continue probably had something to do with him still being very much in the fight. I can't disagree with the decision to let him continue.

    Round-6 saw the tide turning in Lewis favor, in my opinion. The extent of Lewis' fatigue notwithstanding, Vitali did not look like he could advance on his earlier successes and eye wasn't going to get any better. Round-6 was the right time to stop it.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Nor has anyone else outside of Mendozy! He has a fetish about making unsubstantiated claims but, when called upon to prove them goes silent!
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Vitali had 68 stitches inserted in one cut ,he also had three other cuts and a ripped mouth ,it was the right call at the right time ,imo.

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