Your Favorite Roy Jones Glass Shattering?

AnotherFan · Jan 29, 2012

JASPER said: ↑

I aint askin much if we are talking legacy, we are talking legacy. Beating ancient RJJ meant ****, I had him losing to Bhop in a god awful fight, so I do not even consider him a two division champ.
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Before Calzaghe defeated Jones he was seen as a Eurobum. Afterwards as a world class fighter who cherrypicked shot old men. People still hate on him, but even so he is given more respect. A whole bunch of boxers and boxing fans predicted that even a poor version of Jones to knock Calzaghe the **** out. In my eyes that is enough to justify the fight. Not to mention Calzaghe became filthy rich in the process.

The Hopkins fight was embarrassing for both men. Looks god on paper, but hardly stuff for legends, so to speak.

JASPER said: ↑

WBO was meaningless unless you held the bet at the time, and the SMW division was created in the late 80's and no one outside of Europe to it seriously. Yes there was N.American belt holders but nobody thought much of the belt around their waste. Yes, a number of guys passed threw the division . . but they passed threw.
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If you use Muhammed Ali as some kind of standard of what is great, thats fine. Calzaghe fought some tough guys, no greats, but tough guys who came to kick his ass. Thats no walk in the park.

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I will give one thing Joe help give the SMW legitimacy but that was near then end of his career before that it was not even on the radar.
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Not on your radar, perhaps. But you aint the world. As I said before, Calzaghe sold out arenas. What other SMW today does that? Even so, I am to agree that the division is more respected today? In reality it has shrink.

timeout · Jan 29, 2012

Let's keep Sir Joe out of this thread!
Man is on another lvl to RJJ!
He had some cheeen ffs people!

Unlike the buscuit cheen roids.

Ren · Jan 29, 2012

why isnt there a poll option for the most popular chin shattering?

That of Roy Jones at the age of 50 knocking the **** out of the people who started the rather vindictive and meaningless poll at the same time with one hand behind his back.

Bit crazy to pretend that Cal was better than Roy though - no way Cal could acheive half of what Roy did and Roy made fighters of the calibre Calzaghe struggled against look like amateurs.

Imperial1 · Jan 29, 2012

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The WBO twice moved Darrin Morris up in its super-middleweight rankings in 2001, despite the fact that he was dead. Morris was Number 7 at the time of his death and Number 5 when the WBO discovered the error. Varcarcel said, "We obviously missed the fact that Darrin was dead. It is regrettable." Valcarcel also stated that other boxing sanctioning organizations had made similar errors in the past by continuing to rank another boxer after he was dead.[4] One week after British newspaper The Independent broke the story, one of the three men ranking the boxers, Gordon Volkman, still had not heard that Morris was dead.[5]
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Classic :good

JASPER · Jan 29, 2012

timeout said: ↑

Let's keep Sir Joe out of this thread!
Man is on another lvl to RJJ!
He had some cheeen ffs people!

Unlike the buscuit cheen roids.
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Yup, RJJ was 2 levels ABOVE even with his glass jaw!

JASPER · Jan 29, 2012

Another Great WBO title holder:

On December 18, 1999, Alejandro Montiel was originally scheduled to fight Jose Lopez for the vacant flyweight crown, but withdrew a few hours before the fight. Isidro Garcia happened to be in attendance as a spectator and was asked to step in while sitting at ringside eating a doughnut. Garcia fought and won the title using borrowed trunks, protective cup and mouthpiece.

JASPER · Jan 29, 2012

AnotherFan said: ↑

Before Calzaghe defeated Jones he was seen as a Eurobum. Afterwards as a world class fighter who cherrypicked shot old men. People still hate on him, but even so he is given more respect. A whole bunch of boxers and boxing fans predicted that even a poor version of Jones to knock Calzaghe the **** out. In my eyes that is enough to justify the fight. Not to mention Calzaghe became filthy rich in the process.

Only fools thought RJJ should still have been fighting when hefought Joe . . . Only a crazy fanboy would have given him a shoot at winning.

The Hopkins fight was embarrassing for both men. Looks god on paper, but hardly stuff for legends, so to speak.

No argument there:deal

If you use Muhammed Ali as some kind of standard of what is great, thats fine. Calzaghe fought some tough guys, no greats, but tough guys who came to kick his ass. Thats no walk in the park.

The WBO was founded in 1988 and not recognized for about a decade later. if you refer to my other post you see why. The SMW title was created at the same time. it had no history compared to the MW and LHW belts. The only solid win he had over a prime fighter was Kessler:deal

Not on your radar, perhaps. But you aint the world. As I said before, Calzaghe sold out arenas. What other SMW today does that? Even so, I am to agree that the division is more respected today? In reality it has shrink.

I remember the last fight between Hearns and SRL, not because it was for the SMW strap and the WBO Belt. I remember watching the fight with my dad and we where wondering what is that garbage? New title, new weightclass= don't mean ****. Yes, both gained legitimacy in Europe through title holders. But it didnt mean **** here

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The WBO was a regional belt at best (Europe) equivalent to the Nabf title at the time.

**** it i am stopping there because I really do not care about Calslappy or RJJ. The only reason why I am on this thread i because I am bored:bart

HEADBANGER · Jan 30, 2012

metal mandible has hired the TEAM ELITE CORPORATION to conduct a neutral, independent investigation into this thread.

after studying all 27 pages of the thread, the team elite generals (bailey,professor IC chins, 46and0, joe boxer, timeout, GJE, and headbanger) held a 6 hour noble round table discussion complete with a decanter of the finest dandelion and burdock that money can buy.

the independent Team Elite investigation concludes the following

1) Roy Jones Jnr never beat a lineal or unified champion in his entire career

2) Roy Jones Jnr is a proven banned anabolic steroids user and is an absolute disgrace to the sport of boxing

3) Roy Jones Jnr couldn't adapt in the ring, when Plan A wasn't working, he had no plan B

4) Roy Jones Jnr could not fight in adversity. Real greats like Joe Calzaghe stared adversity in the face and came roaring back like a warrior, where as when Roy Jones Jnr faced adversity, he folded like a lawn chair.

5) Roy Jones Jnr spent the majority of his career ducking the biggest challengers, ducking the big punchers, pricing himself out of the big fights, and instead fought sanitation workers and civil servants which in turn, even led to his HBO paymasters labelling him 'reluctant roy'

6) Roy Jones Jnr had a disgraceful glass jaw

7) ESB's favourite episode of shattered Roy Jones glass was the antonio tarver KO

8 - Roy Jones Jnr has a plethora of delusional fanboys on ESB who ignore all the irrefutable scientific facts and claim that Jones is superman for his wonderfull performance against shot 135lb bum vinny pazienza. these disgusting roy jones fanboys also refuse to acknowledge that roy jones is a steroid riddled disgrace, these ignorant, narrow minded fanboys simply cannot see the wood for the trees.

9) a shot Joe Calzaghe went to the states and in only his 2nd fight at 175 'lacyied' roy jones in his own back yard.

10) TG1 (Tiny Gippo1) has been systematically dismantled throughout the thread and has a giant **** swinging from his fragile egghead. he also weighs 105lb, is feather fisted, and would be snapped in half with just one swipe of my terrific ****.

11) these wonderfull chincheckers will continue to research the importance of punch resistance in boxing and despite what all the fanboys and deniers may think, there is irrefutable proof that GLASS JAWS EXIST IN BOXING.

bailey · Jan 30, 2012

HEADBANGER said: ↑

metal mandible has hired the TEAM ELITE CORPORATION to conduct a neutral, independent investigation into this thread.

after studying all 27 pages of the thread, the team elite generals (bailey,professor IC chins, 46and0, joe boxer, timeout, GJE, and headbanger) held a 6 hour noble round table discussion complete with a decanter of the finest dandelion and burdock that money can buy.

the independent Team Elite investigation concludes the following

1) Roy Jones Jnr never beat a lineal or unified champion in his entire career

2) Roy Jones Jnr is a proven banned anabolic steroids user and is an absolute disgrace to the sport of boxing

3) Roy Jones Jnr couldn't adapt in the ring, when Plan A wasn't working, he had no plan B

4) Roy Jones Jnr could not fight in adversity. Real greats like Joe Calzaghe stared adversity in the face and came roaring back like a warrior, where as when Roy Jones Jnr faced adversity, he folded like a lawn chair.

5) Roy Jones Jnr spent the majority of his career ducking the biggest challengers, ducking the big punchers, pricing himself out of the big fights, and instead fought sanitation workers and civil servants which in turn, even led to his HBO paymasters labelling him 'reluctant roy'

6) Roy Jones Jnr had a disgraceful glass jaw

7) ESB's favourite episode of shattered Roy Jones glass was the antonio tarver KO

8 - Roy Jones Jnr has a plethora of delusional fanboys on ESB who ignore all the irrefutable scientific facts and claim that Jones is superman for his wonderfull performance against shot 135lb bum vinny pazienza. these disgusting roy jones fanboys also refuse to acknowledge that roy jones is a steroid riddled disgrace, these ignorant, narrow minded fanboys simply cannot see the wood for the trees.

9) a shot Joe Calzaghe went to the states and in only his 2nd fight at 175 'lacyied' roy jones in his own back yard.

10) TG1 (Tiny Gippo1) has been systematically dismantled throughout the thread and has a giant **** swinging from his fragile egghead. he also weighs 105lb, is feather fisted, and would be snapped in half with just one swipe of my terrific ****.

11) these wonderfull chincheckers will continue to research the importance of punch resistance in boxing and despite what all the fanboys and deniers may think, there is irrefutable proof that GLASS JAWS EXIST IN BOXING.
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timeout · Jan 30, 2012

HEADBANGER said: ↑

metal mandible has hired the TEAM ELITE CORPORATION to conduct a neutral, independent investigation into this thread.

after studying all 27 pages of the thread, the team elite generals (bailey,professor IC chins, 46and0, joe boxer, timeout, GJE, and headbanger) held a 6 hour noble round table discussion complete with a decanter of the finest dandelion and burdock that money can buy.

the independent Team Elite investigation concludes the following

1) Roy Jones Jnr never beat a lineal or unified champion in his entire career

2) Roy Jones Jnr is a proven banned anabolic steroids user and is an absolute disgrace to the sport of boxing

3) Roy Jones Jnr couldn't adapt in the ring, when Plan A wasn't working, he had no plan B

4) Roy Jones Jnr could not fight in adversity. Real greats like Joe Calzaghe stared adversity in the face and came roaring back like a warrior, where as when Roy Jones Jnr faced adversity, he folded like a lawn chair.

5) Roy Jones Jnr spent the majority of his career ducking the biggest challengers, ducking the big punchers, pricing himself out of the big fights, and instead fought sanitation workers and civil servants which in turn, even led to his HBO paymasters labelling him 'reluctant roy'

6) Roy Jones Jnr had a disgraceful glass jaw

7) ESB's favourite episode of shattered Roy Jones glass was the antonio tarver KO

8 - Roy Jones Jnr has a plethora of delusional fanboys on ESB who ignore all the irrefutable scientific facts and claim that Jones is superman for his wonderfull performance against shot 135lb bum vinny pazienza. these disgusting roy jones fanboys also refuse to acknowledge that roy jones is a steroid riddled disgrace, these ignorant, narrow minded fanboys simply cannot see the wood for the trees.

9) a shot Joe Calzaghe went to the states and in only his 2nd fight at 175 'lacyied' roy jones in his own back yard.

10) TG1 (Tiny Gippo1) has been systematically dismantled throughout the thread and has a giant **** swinging from his fragile egghead. he also weighs 105lb, is feather fisted, and would be snapped in half with just one swipe of my terrific ****.

11) these wonderfull chincheckers will continue to research the importance of punch resistance in boxing and despite what all the fanboys and deniers may think, there is irrefutable proof that GLASS JAWS EXIST IN BOXING.
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:thumbsup
Headbanger summarised the thread perfectly!

bailey · Jan 30, 2012

JASPER said: ↑

I aint askin much if we are talking legacy, we are talking legacy. Beating ancient RJJ meant ****,
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It was a big fight at the time, bigger than Hopkins/Pavlik. I remember when on a boxing show they were trying to talk about Calzaghe/Jones and Hopkins kept trying to hype his own fight.
Many predicted Jones to win as a proven LHW compared to only Calzaghes 2nd fight at the weight. Jones was the #6 LHW by The Ring and was coming off a win over Tito, considered by many as Hopkins best win.
You forget that Calzaghe was also shot.
If we look at Jones last 2 fights against Lebecev and Hopkins -
Against Lebedev Jones was ahead on one card in the final round and unlucky not to have a KD scored against a CW who had just fought a world champ to a SD and
Against Hopkins, Jones scored a KD that Hopkins made out was behind his head as he wasnt able to continue without some time out and Hopkins is now recognised as the LHW champ. That could have been a KO win for Jones.

I had him losing to Bhop in a god awful fight, so I do not even consider him a two division champ.
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atsch
Hopkins lost fair and square

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1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins it appears has a history for bad scorecards. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111.
8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.

Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.

WBO was meaningless unless you held the bet at the time, and the SMW division was created in the late 80's and no one outside of Europe to it seriously.
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Old post below where some details have altered but you get the point

I just wanted to highlight some details to you.
The SMW divisions first world champs were WBC 1988, WBA 1987, IBF 1984 & WBO 1988.
Now for a start it is a new division so no belt has any more prestige than the other as they were all started at a similar time. So the WBO SMW title has no less prestige than the others.
Consider also that the WBO at SMW has been involved in 4 unification bouts.
The IBF has been involved in 2
The WBA in 3
WBC in 4 also
This shows that the WBO has been as willing to make top fights at SMW as much as any other governing body.

Now look at the list of champs in each and who they defended against and you can see that the WBO SMW title has produced the best defences overall better than all of the other govening bodies in this particular weight division so far.
Consider how much critism Bute gets now for his IBF defences.
Consider M Beyer defending his WBC title against 26-14-5 fighter who was coming off of a win against a 0-2-0 fighter
Or that Mundine when defending the WBA title against a 24-13-5 fighter who was the same fighter that WBC champ Beyer was defending against above.

People bring up Eubank who helped mould the belt that was good enough to give T Hearns a slice of history making. Out of Eubanks 18 WBO SMW title fights 14 of those fights were against fighters who were, had been or became top 10 SMWs. One was a unification and another was against the undefeated former IBF SMW champ (relinquished his title). In fact 6 of the fighters he faced had been or became world champs

Yes there was N.American belt holders but nobody thought much of the belt around their waste.
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Load of rubbish. Its because Americans were not able to compete at SMW at that time. When Toney was in the division it was considered hot, same as Jones. When B Mitchell was thought to be going somewhere I remember The Ring hyping him, then the same with Lacy, but when they were not around, America didnt like not having champs in the division. Now Ward is doing well and avoiding Bute its considered hot again, but in reality its got less accomplished SMW fighters in its current top 10 for a long time, mainly from numbers 6-10.

Yes, a number of guys passed threw the division . . but they passed threw.
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Did they :think. Who are you referring to?
Jones, Nunn and Toney were at SMW longer than they were at MW and Nunn and Toney were also at SMW longer than they were at LHW.
But Jones passed through SMW where there was Benn, Collins, Eubank, Calzaghe etc to LHW where he only had to avoid Michalczewski

I will give one thing Joe help give the SMW legitimacy but that was near then end of his career before that it was not even on the radar
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The division was on the radar for a long time. Eubank/Benn unification, Jones/Toney, Leonard/Hearns unification, Ottke/Mitchell unification. It has been a good division for years.

The Super middleweight division is looking very weak.
Just look at The Rings current top 10

CHAMPION: Andre Ward

Lucian Bute

Mikkel Kessler

Carl Froch

Robert Stieglitz

Sakio Bika

Thomas Oosthuizen

George Groves

Glen Johnson

Arthur Abraham

James DeGale

Bute and Ward really need to meet to decide who is the top dog of the division.

Look at the division from 5-10. Not one of them have done anything in the division. G Johnson was a journeyman when he first tried to compete at SMW and has lost more SMW fights than hes won and Oousthuizen, Groves and DeGale may go on to do good things but in the previous eras would never have made the top 10 on what they have done just yet.
Heres an old post from 2010 but you get the idea
Just browsing the years and not looking closely, I can see several but 2005, clearly is stronger than today with
1. Calzaghe undefeated world champ
2. Kessler undefeated world champ (undefeated and not suffering double vision)
3. Lacy undefeated world champ (undefeated, and tell me an active American SMW with a better resume)
4. Beyer (3 time WBC champ)
5. Mundine (2 time WBA champ)
6. Danny Green now a world rated CW
7. Siaca (former world champ)
8. Grant (former WBO MW champ)
9. Reid (former world champ, and fighter that looked unlucky against Ottke)
10. Andrade (undefeated at this time and looked unlucky not to KO Bute years later)

I think that clearly proves a point when now in the top 10, you have Andrade still who has been beaten 3 times now, Magee who was put down 3 times and beaten by 2005 #9 Reid, Steiglitz who lost to Andrade, Arthur with limited SMW resume of Miranda and Taylor coming off a KO, Bika who lost to Soliman, Froch who was beaten by #2 of 2005, Dirrell who lost to Froch. Kessler of now who Ward beat and who beat Froch wasnt even well and suffering double vision, and Bute nearly KOd by already beaten 2005 #10.

Consider how years ago Calzaghe beat current #2 Kessler and current #5 Bika yet they still sit in the top 5 and Bika hasnt done much since, it shows with Bika just how weak the division is and that the current champs big win is the #2 beaten by the previous era.

I hope Bute and Ward get it on so the division can build again
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Alien · Jan 30, 2012

Wonderful post HEAD'.:happy:happy:happy

Joe.Boxer · Jan 30, 2012

Now Jones is on the scrap heap, what is he left with?

1. A legacy in tatters.
2. Visible premature aging due to years of relentless steroid abuse.
3. Early signs of brain damage due to repeated glass mandible shatterings;

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf8JzUBtn9c[/ame]

HEADBANGER · Jan 31, 2012

Joe.Boxer said: ↑

Now Jones is on the scrap heap, what is he left with?

1. A legacy in tatters.
2. Visible premature aging due to years of relentless steroid abuse.
3. Early signs of brain damage due to repeated glass mandible shatterings;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf8JzUBtn9c
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:rofl

roy spoke fine before he got in the ring with calzaghe :deal

Imperial1 · Jan 31, 2012

Oh wow look guys its HEAD GIVER Leader of the **** Lickers with the same oooooooooooold response Classic from Team Repeat !

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