Your Flyweight Top 5 Ranking

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  1. LACMEXAME

    LACMEXAME Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Estrada was no joke. That dude has crazy stamina. Unbelievable.
     
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  2. Richel Hersisia

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    deepest division in boxing... Chocolatito will rule the coming yrs
     
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  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Oh yeah.

    Stamina has always been Viloria's Achilles heel. The moment the 9th round started Viloria fought inside and was content not to move and to reduce his punch output by quite a bit. I knew he was spent and had it lost. I even thought it might get stopped in the 12th at some point.

    Fair prediction. Only question is if he handles the weight jumps, a lot of fighters can't.
     
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  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    And so the division is turned upside down for the second time in three days. The top man in Viloria and the lineal champ in Igarashi both lose decisive matches.

    How do you rank the top 5 now?

    Here's my top 5:
    1. Moruti Mthalane, 29-2, IBF
    2. Juan Estrada, 23-2, WBA and WBO
    3. Akira Yaegashi, 17-3, Lineal and WBC
    4. Brian Viloria, 32-4
    5. Edgar Sosa, 48-7
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Who you got higher out of Marquez and Igarashi?
     
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  6. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Ooh good question!

    Without spending more than 60 seconds thinking about it I will def go with Hernan. He'd be at #6 for me.

    I think he has the much better wins and is better H2H (although that has a minimal impact on my rankings). As for the recent defeat each suffered, Hernan was to Viloria which is more than understandable whereas Igarashi was to a lifetime 105 pounder moving up two divisions (although I have mad respect for Yaegashi; I scored the Ioka war a draw with the stature of both being elevated in my view).
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I have Marquez higher too.
     
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  8. Lilo

    Lilo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't know a lot about the division but Milan Melindo impressed me on Sat. Looks to have some pop. Dropped Seran with both hands.

    Is he a top 10 flyweight yet?
     
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  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Damn. I wish more people knew or cared about Flyweight. It's a hot division and started to get real interesting starting with the Viloria TKO of Segura about a year and a half ago.

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    I want to list Dan Rafael's ranking of the division. I think it's dreadful.

    1. Juan Estrada
    2. Brian Viloria
    3. Hernan Marquez
    4. Akira Yaegashi
    5. Edgar Sosa

    ...and while he does top 10's for most divisions, he must be admitting he doesn't care about the lower weights as he only does a top 5 for those below bantamweight, and combines 108 with 105 for some reason.

    It's funny. I think Mthalane is the #1, no lower than #2 behind Estrada, and Rafael manages not to rank him in his top 5, but with the "Other contenders" along the likes of Segura, who has fought once in the past 15 months or so and has done nothing at Flyweight.

    What do you think about his rankings?

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    Yes, he has been for about a year now. Never had the step up or proving victory to put him toward the very top, though. I believe RING ranks him #5-7-ish.
     
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  10. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Juan Estrada
    2. Moruti Mthalane (good to see he isn't being underrated in this thread)
    3. Brian Viloria
    4. Hernan Marquez
    5. Akira Yaegashi
     
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  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Good list.

    And yes, Mthalane is criminally underrated...

    One question though (and I don't want to sound like a dick or anything): Estrada to #1 on virtue of one performance at the weight but Yaegashi doesn't eclipse even Hernan after his one performance at the weight?

    I thought Hernan was shaky in his couple fights leading up to Viloria, to be honest.
     
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  12. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Viloria was the clear number one (disregarding title lineage) and Estrada put in a great performance to beat him. It is the only win of note that is on his record - although his showing against Gonzalez adds to it - but I think it's enough to put him top. Either way, I have no qualms with either him or Mthalane being ranked #1; you should know I'm high on Mthalane after our discussions regarding your P4P list in the past ;)

    As for having Yaegashi at #5, I simply don't rate Igarashi that highly TBH. Hernan's double over Concepcion still stand him in good stead despite the subsequent performances against Mepranum and Lumacad, and the loss to Viloria. Enough to keep him above Yaegashi for the time being, anyway.
     
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  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Good stuff.
     
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  14. bazza12

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    Just watched the Yaegashi fight online, was a decent scrap.

    My ratings would probably be...
    1-Estrada
    2-Viloria
    3-Yaegashi
    4-Mthalane
    5-Marquez

    I must admit to not having seen anything of either Mthalane, Sosa, Melindo, just not enough time but going of their results Mthalane has a decent record so I'd throw him in at 4.

    I have to admit I do like watching Yaegashi. He reminds me a bit of LaMotta in his style, head first, crouching and assaulting the body with a high workrate. One tough guy, you just know he is respected wherever he goes in his homeland, not one to **** with.
     
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  15. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    11/28/13 Update
    1. Juan Francisco Estrada, WBA/WBO
    2. Moruti Mthalane, IBF
    3. Akira Yaegashi, RING/WBC
    4. Edgar Sosa
    5. Brian Viloria
    6. Giovani Segura
    7. Luis Concepcion
    8. Hernan Marquez
    9. Juan Carlos Reveco, WBA (?)
    10. Milan Melindo
    Other notables: Rocky Fuentes, Rey Megrino, Koki Eto

    Yaegashi vs. Sosa goes down December 6th in what should be an epic one.

    On this Thanksgiving, I am grateful for the best division in boxing (competitiveness, depth, quality of fights, quality of top fighters; all factored together it is top notch)...
     
    Nonito Smoak, Nov 28, 2013
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