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Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Mar 31, 2025.

  1. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Precisely! And based on agreeing with that one thing I’ll assume you too also believe “Big” James > 70s GF and invite you to feel superior at the expense of every biped’s patience.
     
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    ivancho Member Full Member

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    - 15 rounds fights should be back
    - boxing gloves for hw should be 6 oz
    - No antidoping (better recovery)
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Can you go into this a little more, please?
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Carlos Monzon is the greatest middleweight head to head of all time.

    Julio Cesar Chavez was the greatest fighter of his generation.

    Sam McVea would have creamed Tommy Burns.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Chavez might have been the greatest fighter of his generation, but his loss to Whitaker is too hard to look past.

    Not to mention, Arizmendi is greater.
     
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  6. Ryeece

    Ryeece Member Full Member

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    I find it extremely tough to compare fighters across different era's. It hard enough predicting fights in the same era let alone comparisons of fighters several decades.

    You should say there are standouts but for me there was never one guy who was way above the rest at least in my opinion which I imagine is in the minority.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I just researched it on a site called boxrec.com. It turns out that Whitaker only managed a draw against Chavez, not a win. So, he struggled with a past it, over-his-best-weight Chavez. That actually is a feather in Whitaker's cap, to do that well against an ATG, even one who was past his pull date.
     
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  8. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson Fury had the potential to be the best ever heavyweight
     
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  9. themaster458

    themaster458 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nah just because an old timer said it doesn't make it true
     
  10. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought Hughie Fury would be among the best heavyweights in world and would be heavyweight champion someday back around the 2016-2017 times but that went south big time.
     
  11. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think a surprising # of fighters have better pure resumes than Chavez - for example, Fritzie Zivic has wins over Burley, Armstrong x2, & LaMotta. Chavez has a lot of wins over very good-to-near great fighters, but is lacking wins over true greats IMO.

    H2h, I wouldn't rule out that Hearns beats any ww not named Sugar Ray. Unfortunately for him, he shared a division w/ 1 of those Rays, but still succeeded in outfighting him most of the way before being stopped late.

    While I agree that Hearns' actual achievements @ww may leave something to be desired compared to other ATGs, a blowout of long-reigning titlist/hofer Cuevas + other wins over ex-titlist Espada & perennial contenders like Shields, Gray, & Weston are collectively nothing to sneeze @ either. Even just judging pure achievements, I don't think he falls short of fighters like Curry or Spence.
     
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    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Marciano's skillset gets underrated a little bit I think. I think most people rank him in the top 10 heavyweights and many have him in the top 5 or even top 3 but it's just with the opinion many feel he would be too small for later era's despite his achievements.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    It's true coz Arizmendi beat about five guys who were much better fighters than anyone Chavez beat.
     
  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Oh I'm not talking about their fight, I'm talking about their coke snort-off.

    But seriously, Whitaker is the best fighter of Chavez's generation. That fight was as close to a shut out than a draw.
     
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    Sal Sanchez wasn't overrated. He always found a way to win, which is heavily overlooked.