Your HW top 15 ATG’s

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by PhillyPhan69, Feb 9, 2019.



  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,642
    4,706
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 20, 2006
    just curious about
    1 Your top 15
    2 How you imagine they do H2H against each other
    3 do you have anyone of them going 14-0 against the field

    Just curious as some pick Ali or to a lesser degree Louis being near unbeatable

    I personally don’t think anyone in my list goes 14-0 nor do I think anyone of mine would go 0-14 how about you guys?
     
    Big Ukrainian likes this.
  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,642
    4,706
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 20, 2006
    1-2 Louis-Ali
    3-4 Holmes-Lewis
    5-6 Foreman-Wlad
    7-9 Holyfield Frazier Tyson
    10-13 Marciano Johnson Liston Dempsey
    14-15 Bowe Vitali

    This is my list but please use your own. I will sit down in about an hour or so and see how I contrast them.

    Be interested in your ATG’s and your contrast of them H2H in a one off fight not facing 14 of them in a row
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2019
    Bronze Tiger likes this.
  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    32,309
    6,159
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Apr 27, 2005
    You might have Holmes down twice instead of George.
     
    PhillyPhan69 likes this.
  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,642
    4,706
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 20, 2006
    lol good eye

    Edited it

    Holmes was good but not that good
     
    JohnThomas1 likes this.
  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,642
    4,706
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 20, 2006
    Oh well I just wanted to see how some of you guys do your hypothetical H2H rankings especially when I see “so and so is a H2H monster”.... hopefully some will post so I can see how....

    Anyway mine with ATG ranking on the left and H2H in parenthesis on the right with contrasted records:

    1 Louis (1 Louis 11-3)
    2 Ali (T2 Ali 10-3-1)
    3 Holmes (T2 Holmes 10-3-1)
    4 Lewis (T4 Lewis 9-5)
    5 Foreman (T4 Frazier 9-5)
    6 Wlad (T6 Foreman 8-6)
    7 Holyfield (T6 Marciano 8-6)
    8 Frazier (T8 Holyfield 7-7)
    9 Tyson (T8 Tyson 7-7)
    10 Marciano (T8 Vitali 7-7)
    11 Johnson (11 Bowe 6-8)
    12 Liston (T12 Wlad 5-9)
    13 Dempsey (T12 Liston 5-9)
    14 Bowe (14 Johnson 3-11)
    15 Vitali (15 Dempsey 1-13)

    How about you guys
     
    KuRuPT, Big Ukrainian and Jel like this.
  6. SHADAPBLAD

    SHADAPBLAD Lost all my bets Full Member

    573
    421
    Sportsbook:
    500
    Feb 15, 2017
    1. George Foreman
    2. Mike Tyson
    3. Deontay Wilder
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Muhammad Ali
    6. Jersey Joe Walcott
    7. Floyd Patterson
    8. George Foreman
    9. Vitaly Klitschko
    10. Larry Holmes
    11. Wladimir Klitschko
    12. Barry Holmes
    13. Manny Pacquiao
    14. Big Joe
    15. Lennox Lewis
     
  7. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Active Member Full Member

    723
    627
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Aug 15, 2018
    1. Ali only guy to maybe go undefeated but sure he would drop one
    2. Lewis only because I think he does well H2H
    3. Marciano yep he belongs there
    4. Foreman
    5. Liston
    6. Tyson
    7. Frazier
    8. Holmes
    9. Joe Louis if this were accomplishments ts he would be at my 2 but h2h he drops imo
    10.11 Klitschkos
    12. Bowe
    13. Dempsey
    14. Holyfield
    15. Archie Moore yes he would do very well against most
     
  8. The Malibu Mauler

    The Malibu Mauler New Member Full Member

    96
    106
    Sportsbook:
    415
    Oct 2, 2018
    1. Joe Louis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Jack Dempsey
    5. George Foreman
    6. Gene Tunney
    7. Larry Holmes
    8. Evander Holyfield
    9. Joe Frazier
    10. Bob Fitzsimmons
    11. Jack Johnson
    12. Lennox Lewis
    13. Mike Tyson
    14. Sonny Liston
    15. Wladimir/Vitali, I'm split

    In a H2H sense, I hold Marciano as 1, next I have Louis, then a three way draw between Dempsey, Ali and Foreman, as I think they all were great in their respective styles. After that, I'd probably bump Liston, Tyson, and Lewis to my top 10.

    As for going 14-0, I think nobody would pull it off. I think Marciano could reasonably beat Ali, Louis beats Marciano, and Ali could beat Louis. I think everyone would have at least one loss.
     
  9. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,642
    4,706
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 20, 2006
    Nice picks but I am just curious how your ATG list fares against one another
     
  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,532
    2,803
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Oct 28, 2017
    A H2H top 15? I'd need to put a fair bit of thought into it. Bowe would be a lot higher, top 10 I think. Dempsey would be a bit higher.
    The top 3 H2H for me is
    Ali
    Louis
    Lewis
    I'm not as sure after that.

    I'd favour Ali at his best over everyone, but I think it'd be extremely unlikely for him to go 14-0.
     
    DJN16 and PhillyPhan69 like this.
  11. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,642
    4,706
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 20, 2006
    I have always felt like Louis Marciano and Frazier would be stiff tests for Ali and think all 3 beat him and go back and forth with Holmes, so I called that my lone draw pick. I was surprised to see that I had Vitali as high as I did when I looked it.
     
    Ken Ashcroft and BitPlayerVesti like this.
  12. JackSilver

    JackSilver Active Member Full Member

    1,311
    1,074
    Sportsbook:
    500
    Jun 24, 2017
    H2H

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Larry Holmes
    3. Mike Tyson
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Joe Louis
    6. Evander Holyfield
    7. George Foreman
    8. Vitali Klitschko
    9. Joe Frazier
    10. Riddick Bowe
    11. Wlad Klitschko
    12. Sonny Liston
    13. Jack Johnson
    14. Rocky Marciano
    15. Jack Dempsey
     
  13. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,642
    4,706
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 20, 2006
    Out of curiosity what are their records against each other that help you reach that conclusion
     
    The Malibu Mauler likes this.
  14. JackSilver

    JackSilver Active Member Full Member

    1,311
    1,074
    Sportsbook:
    500
    Jun 24, 2017
    Dunno. I didn’t really think of working it out like that,with writing down each one’s record against each other and base the list on those statistics. Sometimes you just gotta go with your instincts and write down what comes to mind and how you feel.

    Could be my list would be a lot different if I did it the way you said.
     
  15. SHADAPBLAD

    SHADAPBLAD Lost all my bets Full Member

    573
    421
    Sportsbook:
    500
    Feb 15, 2017
    Didnt Holyfield go 1-2 agaisnt Bowe? Hmm
     

Share This Page