Your life depends on predicting Ali vs Louis accurately

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    The boxing gods have decreed that prime Ali and prime Louis will fight.

    They have also decreed that if you don't predict the outcome accurately, you will die.

    You have an enormous sum of money. You are not allowed to cheat. You may not bribe the combatants. You can't do anything to fix the fight. You can't even share information or interfere with either man's prep. Louis and Ali are off limits to your meddling.

    You *CAN*, however, use your vast resources to gather information. You can hire consultants. Talk to experts. Heck, bring in a bunch of Moneyball math guys to build computer models if you feel like it. But you need to predict the outcome correctly.

    Who do you consult? How do you figure out who wins? What's your process?

    Think hard. Your life depends on it.
     
  2. ivancho

    ivancho Member Full Member

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    both at their best would be a competitive fight, ali was a bit heavier and barely taller but not such difference in size. I would say Ali should be favorite because how fast he moved but Joe was very precise. Joe with chappie in his corner would be a very difficult fight for Ali, but with a gun pointing at me I would say ali
     
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  3. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Not as tough as you think. In your post God exists. Before I make my perdition, I would ask for forgiveness and except God. So, if I predict right, cool, if I'm wrong I live in glory for eternity.
     
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  4. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It does not. If the gods were putting a fight together it would be Monson vs. Hagler, not Ali vs. Lewis.
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    The boxing gods are cruel and contrary.

    Remember, these are the same guys who gave us John Ruiz's title reign.
     
  6. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hi Buddy.
    I also believe the Ali (since you state how fast ) of the 60s, would have beaten Louis, prob by a UD points, just a minor issue, the Ali of the Williams fight tipped the scales at 212lbs, where by the Louis of the Schmeling fight weighed in at 193lbs, so at their respective best, there was quite a big difference in weight.
    stay safe hombre, chat soon.
     
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  7. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Are they cruel or just have a good sense of humor?
     
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  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Sometimes there isn't a clear dividing line.
     
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  9. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    I guess it depends on what side of the joke one is standing.
     
  10. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I’ve thought long and hard enough. Louis wins. I await the outcome to determine my fate. I feel pretty safe on this one actually.
     
  11. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    Does a busty women with perfect curves wearing a peasent blouse with saphire red and emerald rubys with knee high boots while hovering her soft hands over a crystal ball considered meddling?
     
  12. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    Since the boxing gods should be responsible for the outcome... I would probably try to consult the oracle of Delphi... or sacrifice some lambs... or would try to learn the old art and science of reading tea leaves...

    BTW., greetings to cross_trainer :)
     
  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    With all due respect to the great Joe Louis, I believe that a peak Muhammad Ali of 1964-1967 defeats Louis by a unanimous 15 round decision. First off, Ali was not a Billy Conn to make that fatal mistake of trying to slug it out with Louis at any time. Ali could Float Like A Butterfly and Sting Like A Bee for 15 rounds if need be. We are not talking about an Ali who was floored by Sonny Banks in Feb 1962 and Henry Cooper in June 1963, but a mature Ali that had stamina, speed, reflexes, timing and footwork on his side. Joe Louis was a strong flat footed fighter, who would constantly get tagged by a swift Ali right hand while remaining out of Joe's range. Ali would not stop Louis as Ali even at his 1960's peak was not a heavy fisted puncher. Also worth mentioning, peak Ali had a chip om his shoulder as other older boxing fans did not hold him in high esteem as they would a Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, or perhaps an undefeated Rocky Marciano.
     
  14. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

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    I would consult Old Mrs Braithwaite who was my parents’ neighbour back in the 1980s/1990s. She was a psychic apparently and I have a bit of evidence of her gifts, having won a good amount of money by successfully tipping a few of her predictions.
    Hmm…but I’m not sure she can predict the results of fantasy fights from past boxers as well as she can predict future fights with living boxers, so I may have a bit of a problem there.

    Oh no, I’ve just heard from my mother that Old Mrs Braithwaite passed away 13 years ago so it’s all academic now anyway.

    So I’m on my own then. I’ll guess that Ali wins a majority decision with his movement being the key.
    I just pray Joe doesn’t catch him flush with one of those murderous shots of his or I…like Ali…will be doomed!
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ali has a style advantage, a slight size advantage, and is quicker. He's also just as good at what he does as Joe is at what he does.

    That's too much to overcome most of the time. Ali would win this most of the time.
     
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