Your most over-rated boxer

I thought I would elaborate for you, McGrain, you ***y ******* of a man.

 

What makes it such a pendulum argument to me though is that in looking at his title fight victories, one need look almost no further than his very next fight to see a title fight loss.

 

Fair enough; I don't agree with the Zarate pick necessarily. Not that I would or wouldn't put him in the top five Mexicans or whatever, but I've seen the man get enough stick here over the years to where I actually believe he's being rather criminally underrated.

 

I thought the Sanchez shout would have left you fuming.

 

Depends on the day and mood I'm in, but I'm having a lot of trouble with Norton at HW. Jimmy Young schooled Lyle twice, taking 11 of 12 rounds the second time. He's widely considered to have won his rematch with Shavers, did officially defeat Foreman, and it looked like his bout with Cooney was going his way when that cut was inflicted. Still, even blinded by his own blood, he completed round four with Gerry, remaining upright througout. The following year, he decisions Jeff Sims, and does it in Jeff's own 'hood.

Could any version of Ken Norton reach the end of round two against any of those five opponents?

To me, Norton's failure to even compete against a prime major league slugger is as gaping a hole in his resume as Dempsey's failure to defend against Wills. In fact, I'm not sure he'd have survived against Bob Foster in the 1970-early 1972 time frame. [Incidentally, Bob's height, reach and weight as a HW were about identical to Garcia's when Jose took Ken out.]

If Garcia-Norton I hadn't first taken place in 1970, and Frazier had said, "Bob, if you wanna challenge me, first prove yourself a decent HW by actually beating a decent HW. Get past Norton, and I'll give you a shot!," would Kenny have been indeed been mowed over by BF in the process? Garcia-Norton I suggests this wouldn't have been implausible in 1970. [Aside from the symbolism, Norton-Garcia II was meaningless by 1975, yet the Venezuelan was still able to stun Ken a few times.]

How does Ken do against Coetzee, Knoetze, Mercado or Mac Foster? [It's well known that Mac trained and sparred with Ken in the USMC, and Mac would have loved to get Ken back in the ring for a professional bout.]

 

I'll fume for him. For what Sanchez achieved at a young age he's not overrated. He didn't get a chance to fight the guy's he could because of death. But while he was alive his resume is excellent. Gomez is still an ATG and was heavily favored in that fight. Azumah Nelson was young and green but he didn't lose a fight for another eight years. Danny Lopez was a feared puncher. I mean look at Chavez's resume it's great and all but how many ATG's did he beat, arguably none!

 

JCC is rated as the greatest Mexican of all time not purely on his resume though, but mainly because of his ability, consistency, longevity, and numerous accomplishments in a multitude of different weight classes. Salvador Sanchez doesn't have longevity, he wasn't able to achieve outside of Featherweight.

And yes, I fully acknowledge what Sanchez was able to do for the period he was active and alive, I just don't think it equates to the ranking he routinely gets on these forums.

 

The 2 most over rated boxers ever are,

Mike ( the ****** ) Tyson. and

Ste ( Roid ) Jones.

No discussion required.

 

Duran deserves a mention.

 

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Sounds good to me.

 

McGrain: I curse you for naming Ike Williams!

My personal: Dempsey, Foreman, and as much as it pains me to say, probably Frazier. Definitely Ali, but the first two mentioned are by far the most overrated heavies.

 

I wouldn't put anyones knowledge of boxing on a very high plane if they can't spell the most famous boxer of all times name right. Muhammad

 

Well, Murray Woroner's 1969 Super Fight wouldn't exactly have been a box office winner if it was Rock versus Clay now, would it? [Wanna play Rock-Clay-Oven?]

 

Ali...'nuff said...