Your opinion of Cotto's durability in light of the Margacheato scandal?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    For me, it seems unlikley that Margacheato loaded his gloves for Sugar but not Cotto. However, whilst that is my position, it's not a given for everyone.

    When Cotto quit in the Margacheato fight, most of us were a little surprised. It was a horrible beating, but Cotto should have been able to "Take the pain" was my attitude, and to whatever degree you condemned/suppported him, probably yours too, at least a little bit.

    Given that Cotto may have absorbed that insane beating from plastered fists, what does that say to you about Cotto's durability and chin?

    How do you rate him in this department currently?
     
  2. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    I think Cotto was dead tired. And it's not about "take the pain", it was about, "if I take the pain do I have enough left in the tank to win?" He didn't, he was gonna keep getting battered. Smart decision.
     
  3. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    The cement in Margo's wraps makes Cotto look a little better, but the ass whooping Shane put on Margo makes Cotto look a little worse too....because he couldn't even stagger Margo and he hit him with everything he had.
     
  4. McGrain

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    I hear you on that - I would just say that being hit by loaded gloves makes a differene to your offence as well as your defence. You know yourself that if you are getting hit repeatedly with really hard punches (like Cotto was) it makes you more uncertain about loading up your own punches, whilst if you are getting hit by softer punches (like Sugar was) you can load your guns.

    Not that i am trying to take anything away from Shane, great night.
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I don't believe Margartito had any plaster in that fight and I still question Cotto's durability. If you're just going to assume Margo cheated without a shred of evidence, then you must assume he cheated against Williams and Clottey as well. Neither one of them quit.
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I'd still say Cotto's durability is a big big problem for him. We'll be seeing this in June, I have no doubt.
     
  7. McGrain

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    I agree with the second part, but what makes you confident that Margacheato wasn't plastered up for Cotto? I'm not looking for an argument over any of this so speak freely, i'm just trying to get a feel for what people think about it.
     
  8. Babality

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    Mosley loaded up with everything he had, and Margo's lack of defense enabled Mosley to do this 100 times. Cotto didn't load up like that. He caught him with a lot of good punches but he wasn't lunging in like Mosley. Mosley was going in for the kill, when he saw he could get away with loading up so much, he didn't stop doing it. It looked like a Rocky movie.
     
  9. pngo

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    Regardless if Margo had loaded gloves or not, Cotto showed he has a good chin.
    I always hear people saying that Cotto's chin is questionable. I don't get it, Mosley hit him with good straight hands, yes the same Mosley that KOd Margo, and didn't hurt Cotto.
    Cotto has only been down once, and people still question his durability.
     
  10. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Margarito suppsosedly tried to cheat against Mosley by using pre made wraps that contained traces of sulfur and calcium. The fight against Cotto was in Vegas. Vegas provides the gauze which would make it impossible for team Margo to pre treat the wraps. Vegas officials are pretty thorough as well and the executive director states that he is certain that team Margo did nothing wrong in that fight. No one will be able to prove without a doubt that he did nothing wrong, but the evidence suggests that he didn't. When you add in that Cotto was seen as fragile going into that fight, and given that the fight was a big event that carried more scrutiny, you can see why it's perfectly reasonable to assume that team Margo wouldn't try to illegally enhance their fighter's power.
     
  11. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Margacheato ect... is old as **** now.
     
  12. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    He was also wobbled by Corely, wobbled, by Judah, stunned by Mosley, and wobbled twice by Margo before he eventually gave in.
     
  13. TommyV

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    Cotto boxed his way from the start of the fight though and took punishment from potentially loaded gloves that would of affected him mentally and taken enormous amounts of energy out of him.

    Mosley on the other hand went out to murder Margo from the very first bell. He hit the body, taking away Margo's energy and therefore perhaps punch resistance, making him a bit easier to hurt, please he was bouncing right hands of Margo's head in combinations and combining those with stiff left hooks.

    Anyway I think Mosley personally hits harder than Cotto anyway. I mean Cotto is a mean puncher but I think Mosley's power is very under-rated. I mean people tend to ignore his KO ratio. 75% overall, for a lightweight that stepped up to welter and then 154, plus the level of opposition he's been fighting. And 39 KO's in 46 victories.

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    On topic, I think in recent light it shows the true level of Cotto's durability, and obviously his heart aswell up until the point where he went down a couple of times and then the corner threw the towel in.

    People comment on his chin at 140 but he didn't look healthy at all at the weight, he's looked much improved in every way since he stepped up to 147. And with the KD against Torres looking like a bit of a push, and the Margo issue with the plaster, you could argue to some extent that Cotto's never legimately been down on the canvas.
     
  14. pngo

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    I'm surprised yet again to see BigReg on another Cotto thread.
    As much as he hates him, he just can't get away from any Cotto thread.
     
  15. JM22

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    Do you think that he also needed plasters against the mighty god in Cintron aswell?

    And what will you say if Cotto quits against Clottey would you still belive that he needed plasters?

    Anyways if he did use them against Cotto then he sure did against the bigger fighters in Williams and Clottey and like BigReg said they didn't QUIT so that says something about Cotto.