Your opinion on how Wlad Klischko would do v one or all of these HW's

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Match Wlad, over 12 rounds, against all or one of the following fighters, let me know how you feel he matches up.

    Max Baer - 210, 6'2
    Ernie Terrell - 212, 6'6
    Ken Norton - 216, 6'3
    Micheal Spinks - 205, 6'3
    James "Buster" Douglas - 230, 6'3
    Riddick Bowe - 235, 6'3
    Frank Bruno - 228, 6'3
     
  2. TheH1tMan

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    Beat them all - exept for the occasional TKO against one of them. could be anyone.

    The most difficult would be peak Douglas. He was good, but had the shortest peak in boxing :-D I think fear drove him to that and he never felt the same motivation before not after.

    Baer is overrated imo.

    Terrell is a good fight, and did good vs Ali, but he wouldn't have the weapons in the long run.

    Bowe stinks against anyone near his own size and Wlad would be bigger than him, so he would probably be the easiest of these although he has a name (built on tiny Evander).

    Bruno looked great, but was a little too much of a wuss for boxing. Over 12 rounds, I don't think he could win on points. He could win on TKO, but I think the likely winner is Wlad.
     
  3. Jack

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    Baer was awful technically. Klitschko would control the fight, keep it at distance and batter his man around the ring. This is a no contest. I like Baer a lot, but he doesn't stand a real chance against a Wlad. The only advantage he has in this fight is his chin.
    Terrell was alright but not in Klitschko's league, I don't think. Easy win for Wlad.
    Could be an interesting fight this one. Unlike the two above, Norton isn't going to get outboxed so easily. However, I think Klitschko is a better, more accurate puncher, so despite them having similar chins, Klitschko would be able to inflict enough damage on Norton's, to stop him in about 8.
    Spinks was a incredible fighter, but probably not a great heavyweight. His wins over Holmes and Cooney proved he was no walkover, like, say, Bob Foster, but the Tyson fight shows his vulnerabilities against a world class puncher. Wlad KO 4.
    Douglas had a one fight career. He never proved his class against enough fighters to be taken seriously here. Sure, the Tokyo Douglas may cause an upset but any other version gets trounced.
    I think Bowe was better than Wlad. It's kind of the same story as Douglas though, as I think Wlad beats several versions of Bowe, but the best version, the one of the first Holyfield fight, wins the fight fairly easily. Bowe UD 12, assuming he's has his best.
    Interesting fight. Bruno was a good strong fighter with a tremendous jab but he had his weaknesses just like Klitschko does. I think Wlad is the better offensive and defensive fighter and because of that, would be able to wear down a gutsy Bruno in 10.
     
  4. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He also lasted just four rounds against three good, but inferior punches to Wlad. They, Foreman, Shavers and Cooney, probably all hit harder but Klitschko is vastly superior in technique to them all.

    It wouldn't suprise me if Klitschko knocked Norton out within 2 either. I think his brother would.
     
  5. Ilesey

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    Max Baer: Klitschko wins this by a contry mile on points. Baer was not a technically gifted fighter and he would be controlled from the outside.

    Ernie Terell: He was not as good as Klitschko. Terrell would succumb in about eight rounds.

    Ken Norton: Good fight in my opinion. If Norton could extend Wlad into the later rounds then he may have a chance. This is a fight where either could win via knockout. I'd slightly lean toward Norton but would not discount Klitschko at all.

    Michael Spinks: Spinks was a great fighter but I do worry about the size difference. He was not what I would call a fully blown heavyweight and that may hurt him against Klitschko. This one probably goes the distance and Klitschko would get the verdict.

    Buster Douglas: Provided he hit the form he did in Tokyo then Douglas stands a good chance of winning this one. However, all in all I'd have to go with Klitschko by stoppage.

    Riddick Bowe: The only man on your list I think would batter Wlad. He gets to Wlad early and stops him via TKO.

    Frank Bruno: I'd give Bruno a fair chance on beating Wlad and vice versa. This one is a pick em if you ask me. I can't really seperate them but if I had to, I'd go with Bruno.
     
  6. coronacards

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    Um....Prime for Prime, Riddick Bowe would've destroyed Wlad. He'd pressure Wlad, was faster than Wlad, and had a better chin than Wlad.
     
  7. TheH1tMan

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    Bowe seemed to have impressed some Americans with the circus wins over tiny Evander. Fact is his resume is lousy (outside of the small cruiser Holyfield) and he was a joke against Golota and ran away crying when Lewsi mentioned his name. Bowe would not have a chance and would probably do anything to avoid the fight.
     
  8. MattG

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    Beats all but Bowe. Bowe in shape that is. Bruno may have stood a (40%)chance IMO.
     
  9. Ambition_Def

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    Max Baer - Baer wins inside 10

    Max was suceptible to short inside counters that he didn't see. Outside he was not so easy to dent and he'd walk Waldo down. Waldo would have some success early avoiding Baer's punches because Baer threw alot like Sam Peter. That said, he was also crafty enough to mix in a straight right at times too. And he was no stranger to walking down men who were landing clean the whole way. In the end I could see Waldo completely gassed and confused as to how Baer stood up to his long straight rights. Baer would also not let Waldo off the hook once gassed and hurt. He'd finish in exciting fashion Reminicant of Peter-Klitschko rnd 10 only Baer would have more left than Sammy had.

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    Ernie Terrell - Waldo wins by late stoppage or wide UD

    Terrell was the Tony Thompson of that day. Patient, almost to the point of being timid. He stood back and waited too long, too often. He'd be waiting on this Klitschko all night and he'd be eating too many punches in the process. He'd get shut down ala McCline-Klitschko and his near-timid nature would be the cause of it.

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    Ken Norton - Waldo wins by stoppage inside 3 rounds.

    Norton would give Waldo a very big scare early on but it'd look alot like Klitschko's fight against Williamson. But that said Williamson was a southpaw who was able to slip under Waldo's jab. Norton wouldn't have that advantage and he'd be available right down the pipe because of it. No surprises here. Waldo gets to Norton's chin in a slugout early and ends it.

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    Micheal Spinks - Waldo UD or late KO

    Spinks was a pretty wild puncher. Despite that he didn't really carry a huge punch. He was just akward because you didn't know when he was gonna throw. I put alot of stock in Holmes being past his best when Spinks got to him. Holmes was at that cusp of 35-36 and had diminished reflexes which allowed the younger, more akward challenger to pick his shots easier.

    He'd be fighting a prime Waldo and would be tied up whenever he lunged in with a wild shot. And when he isn't lunging in he'd be on the end of Waldo's jab. Eventually all that falling in would find him eating a right hand or two. Something Tyson showed as well is that Spinks could be dominated psychologically. Waldo does have an aura about him in that he strikes fear in opponents. Those who it works on anyhow. I'd expect Spinks to be a little awestruck.

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    James "Buster" Douglas - Waldo wins by TKO inside 5 rounds.

    Douglas was never an elite boxer. He had caught lightning in a bottle on one performance against the most dominant prospect the division had ever seen. Douglas fought the perfect fight against Tyson and came out the victor, even after being decked early on an infamous long count. I counted to about 13 on that knockdown.

    Anyways Douglas had size but was pretty average all the way around. Not a real solid outside fighter for his size due to keeping his hands down too much. Waldo would find the mark often and it'd be the end of it in short fashion. Not as bad as Austin-Klitschko, but damn close.

    Riddick Bowe - Bowe wins by stoppage inside of 8 rounds.

    This would be a war. Waldo in his prime doesn't have Golota's tough inside game. And Golota was broken inside by Bowe. Bowe's constant pressure and uppercuts inside would break apart Waldo's clinching mentality. As Waldo tries to grab those heavy shots would rattle his ribcage. After about 7 rounds Waldo is ready to go. Both guys busted up. Waldo obviously the worse of the two. Bowe finishes it in the 8th with a hard combination inside. That is if Bowe didn't get Waldo into trouble with cuts earlier from uppercuts.

    Frank Bruno - Waldo wins by TKO in 10.

    Bruno was a very strong man. Very powerful but equally very tight and very slow. He would make Sam Peter look like Ali in there. Waldo would just work this one behind a jab and set Bruno up for a left hook as those big arms start drooping. The same punch Lewis knocked him silly with. And Waldo has a better one.
     
  10. Hatesrats

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    K.O. Max Baer
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    K.O. Ernie Terrell
    Ken Norton K.O.
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    Michael Spinks UD
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    K.O. James "Buster" Douglas
    Riddick Bowe K.O.
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    Frank Bruno K.O.
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  11. TheH1tMan

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    Overall, a good analysis there. Only ones I really don't agree with are Baer and Bowe. I like your Peter analogy because there are similarities. Peter however is stronger while Baer probably has slightly better stamina and speed (still not fast by any means). I think Wlad would win. Secondly, Bowe. Wlad would take Bowe apart from the outside. Bowe knew Lewis would have done that effortlessly and avoided Lewis like the plague. Evander couldn't becourse he is a short guy so the fight was close and midrange. That however, tells a lot that Evander was able to dictate where the fights were. Bowe has never ever shown anything against anyone of his own size or bigger and I think it is too much of a stretch to think Bowe would beat Wlad. I understand that the Evander fights were exciting, and because of the Tyson fight they got completely overrated and almost mythologized on US TV. In reality Evander was a short guy that had the exact recipy and tools to beat Tyson. Bowe was nothing special, just the guy in the right time and place to set up those fights with Evander. Wlad would beat Bowe 9 out of 10 times.
     
  12. Muchmoore

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    Wlad-Baer is a tough one. Baer isn't going anywhere against Wlad and he has the punch to end it at any time. I'll pick that one later.

    Terrell wasn't that good of a fighter. Wlad is better in pretty much every category and wins by KO.

    Wlad-Norton is a tough one to choose as well. Norton showed he was a master at beating boxers, however and would beat the current Wlad. If the late ninetees Wlad fights Norton, Wlad wins early.

    I don't see The Jinx being able to deal with him. Wlad by KO.

    The Douglas that fought Tyson would beat Wlad and I don't hesitate in picking him to win by KO within 5. He was accurate, fast, hit hard, had the desire to get off the canvas and win, and champion stamina. He beats up Wlad and stops him. The only reason Tyson lasted so long was because he had a GRANITE chin.

    I lean towards Bowe. I think this is a bad matchup for Big Daddy, he struggled with boxer punchers and boxers in general (Golota obviously, even Tony Tubbs) I lean to Bowe here but tommorow I might pick Wlad due to styles and Bowe's poor defense.

    Wlad and Bruno are pretty similar in that they both are big fighters with good skills but suspect chins and stamina. A peak Bruno however was a very good fighter who gave a young Lewis all he could handle, I pick Bruno here by KO. His chin only really hurt him after he got tired after a few rounds.
     
  13. Punisher33

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    Good rundown, I agree with every choice. I think Bowe stands the best chance of beating Wlad, he was sound on the inside and out, good overhand right, a punch that made fall all over the place when he fought Peter, on the inside is where Bowe would seriously hurt Wlad, and with Wlads very weak chin and lack of toughness, it would only last a couple rounds.
     
  14. drvooh

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    Wlad loses to any southpaws, but holds his own at most
     
  15. LennoxGOAT

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    He would beat them all but Bowe, who would refuse to fight him.