Your opinion why Cotto will beat SSM

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    yes yes... good points maxx and duelly noted :good Those too have run through my mind.

    the only remaining things i would have to say is.... david estrada is 2 inches taller with i think 4 or 5 inches in reach over cotto, cruz on the other hand... hell i dont know what to think about that.
     
  2. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    yes but that happens frequently in boxing... a lesser puncher can stun a greater opponent, and then when fighting someone who hits harder then the lesser opponent who stunned the subject fighter, people say well if so and so stunned him then this guy is going to knock him out.

    examples

    if chop chop stunned him, zab is gonna knock him out - cotto
    if chop chop stung him, hoya is going to drop him - mayweather
    if rivera dropped him early, hes not making it past the 6th - vargas with hoya

    but you make good points about urkal...
     
  3. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Cotto and Mosley will show up at their best. I think Cotto may go through some rough moments early, but his youth and determination will show as the fight progresses. I expect him to use the jab in this fight and I expect it to be effective. Cotto will start to dig into Mosley's ribcage and will throw a lot of punches. I see Cotto winning the championship rounds to secure a unanimous decision.
     
  4. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oktay Urkal wasn't prime, but he wasn't shot either. He fought Vivian Harris on even terms twice with a broken nose. And yeah he frustrated Cotto because he was deliberately headbutting.

    Yeah, a limited banger who's shown something Shane hasn't in 6 years...power.

    Just as Cotto can crack a lot harder to the body than Winky Wright or Vernon Forrest. Winky made him grimace, Vernon made him scream, Cotto will have him pissing blood. :yep
     
  5. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Agreed....and Cotto looked heavy on fight night. I don't think he showed up at his best that night because he was facing Oktay Urkal.
     
  6. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, he looked like Juan Diaz physique wise that night. :lol:
     
  7. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    There are a couple of incorrect statments in this post. For one, Cotto is naturally bigger then Shane, and will come into the ring the bigger man (by weight). Secondly, Cotto fights very differently depending on the opponent. Lately he has been in with counter punchers, so he has been all pressure. Against shane I expect the same, although been orthadox it will allow him to put his combinations together easier then against Judah and Qunitana. Shane doesn't have the jab too keep Cotto at bay. And he isn't a mover like Floyd. Cotto is the better in-fighter, and thats where the fight will go. His workrate at 147 is much better. His punches are more powerful then Mosleys at this point in this career. And in close quarters his body work and combinations are better. Cotto will get tagged coming in with that right hand, but he will keep the hands high and will be looking for it. He has a very strong jab, which is something that has troubled shane in the past. Expect him to work inside off the jab, and then outwork Shane with the shorter and harder punches in close.
     
  8. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Shane has never had a good jab. Cotto does, and uses his superior movement when throwing it to make it effective. Cotto WILL back him up without doubt.
     
  9. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Cotto has a great left hook to the body. But Shane needs to worry about the right hand. The right hand is what tends to get the job done. He dropped Judah, Pinto, Malignaggi, Torres, Bailey with that right hand of his.
     
  10. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    I cant get that image out of my mind. Shane let out a "UUUUHHHHHH" in round 10 after the Forrest bodyshot.

    Cotto is definately getting in that ass. :yep
     
  11. Relentless

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    i think the old cotto could have handled it better, when he used to keep his hands up, box, throw combos move his head.
     
  12. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Probably because I don't recall Forrest KOing or even hurting many other fighters to the body.

    Yeah, because this is the same weight drained fighter Shane will be fighting come November.

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    Please. David Estrada was getting rocked left and right by Ishe Smith. Shane couldn't hurt him anymore than Ishe. So what does that mean?
     
  13. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A few points that work in Cotto's favor:

    Shane has a tendency, at times, to throw wide punches, and a fighter like Cotto, whose punches generally are more compact, can beat him to the punch if he times his punches properly.

    SSM still has the edge in terms of handspeed, and would still be considered the better boxer of the two. But, Cotto isn't without defensive skill, and, as stated before, if he's patient in the first couple of rounds, and works behind his jab, then he'll allow himself the opportunity to slip some of those wide shots, and counter effectively on the inside.

    Cotto fights pretty well as a southpaw; he got Ceballos and Quintana in trouble from that stance, and can switch up in order to throw off an opponent's rythm. Against a fighter like Mosley, that could work to his advantage.

    Shane's 36, and, at that point, a fighter's reflexes start to diminish, even if it's ever so slightly. For a fighter like Mosley, who relied so much on those reflexes, that's bad news against a fighter like Cotto, who can make a fighter pay for leaving punches out there, or staying in one place for too long.

    An SSM victory isn't out of the question, but, then again, neither is a Cotto victory, and, to be honest, right now I think Cotto beats Mosley, based upon their recent performances.
     
  14. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can understand the concern about the Cotto vs Urkal fight. But you have to remember there are just some fighters out there who give people problems regardless of how good they are. Remember urkal went the distance Kostya as well. Also, let's not forget to mention the many below average fighters that people like floyd and roy went the distance with. you still cant take away from their greatness.

    However, while I will be rooting for cotto 110%, i do have all the same concerns as many cotto fans do against mosley. But i feel that Mosley's best days are behind him and inn the end, he will not be able to handle cotto's effective aggression.
     
  15. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Forrest can bang, no doubt. I was just letting the boy know, Forrest isn't particularly known for body punching.

    Yeah, the same Oktay Urkal who went toe to toe with Kostya Tszyu for 12 rounds having his jaw broken in the process and never going down. And from the looks of it, you didn't see Harris-Urkal 2. Just to let you know, Urkal was dropped with a right hook after a clash of heads. He made it to his feet and the ref waved the fight off. He wasn't even close to going to sleep. Stop talking out the ass.

    Yeah, if you say so, it must be true Mr. I talk out the ass and make **** up as I go along and add smiley's in an attempt to look clever. You must feel really good about yourself right now. :good