Your opinions and Thoughts on Toney vs Rahman I

Dont care to rewatch it, but I had Rahman clearly beating Toney by controlling him with the jab.

Toney's potshots were insufficient considering Rahman kept Toney at distance and was active all night with the jab.

 

The majority of people had Rahman winning.

 

My thoughts on watching this fight were that it was yet more evidence that James Toney is one of the toughest and most resilient fighters to ever step through the ropes. A guy who won his first world title at middleweight in 1991 had absolutely no business going to a draw in 2006 with a 240lbs natural powerpuncher who had KO'd Lennox Lewis. None whatsoever.

 

Yeah Popkins, Toney was something special.

But I think it was the limitations of the 2000's era heavyweights almost as much as Toney...You had two former middleweights in Jones and Toney capturing titles and that **** just shouldn't happen.

 

Is that a failing of the era, or does the blame fall squarely on this character here...

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Point taken and I think there were a fair few who would have taken out Jones, but Ruiz's hit list includes:

Evander Holyfield
Hasim Rahman
Kirk Johnson
Andrew Golota
Jameel McCline
Fres Oquendo

All pretty big parts of the title scene who couldn't do what Jones and Toney did

 

It was one of Rahman's better efforts. Toney however was in woeful shape. This was no longer the 217 pound heavyweight Toney that had dispatched Holyfield but a man who had completely given up on staying in shape, and only relied on his natural ability to confuse slow, plodding heavyweights who could not match his skill. Size does matter though, and fights against the likes of Rahman and Peter eventually caught up to Toney.

 

I genuinely believe his treatment was purely for his shoulder injury against ruiz.

His campaign at heavyweight is enough to remove the question he left at 175 imo.

Jirov, holyfield, ruiz, rahman and peter. He has an argument for beating them all. This is a man being schooled against nunn 60 pounds and 15 years ago. He had no right fighting that high. Just like walker's heavyweight campaign I don't feel questionable decision should be held against him.

I'd have loved to see him fight byrd also. I know history will never change but toney put in brilliant performances against 4 of the decades top ten heavyweights.

Someone remind me why I don't have this man in my top 30?

 

Yeah maybe he didn't do enough to clearly win, but he did enough to give himself an argument for atleast a draw, that's a fair comment right? That toney has a decent argument he got a draw minimum. That's enough considering 15 years ago he was the middleweight champ. His level of performance against them 4 heavyweights is legendary.