Your opinions on Mayweather now?

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I think Castillo already did beat him, outlanding over 2 to 1 in their fight. However, I will not discredit him for one bad performance. I would really like to the see the Paq fight, as we all would. Look, he's very good but his biggest names have been over the hill by a long stretch. That's called good management. Sometimes I am more impressed with his management than his actual performances. I know I'm being harsh, but when comparing him to the great runs of Leonard, Duran, Pep, Ray Leonard or Whitaker you have to have a very high set of standards. I will say, he is in the discussion with these fighters but does not come out on top in said discussion.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    What I expected to see was a wideish UD with maybe more rounds like 1 going either way on a variety of cards with Floyd dominating. What I saw was a fighter so in tune with himself and his abilities that he exploited every single weakness in his pound for pound #3 ranked opponent's armour to make it as one-sided as he mocked shut-out of Marquez. To mee that is mind-blowing. Shane was not allowed to show anything. I find it sad but predicable that people are bleeting about Shane's age. Sure, he's faded, and yet here he was totally out-classed - he looked like a fighter of a different class.

    More credit is due also for Shane's inability to "follow up" on Floyd. Mayweather's chin impressed me - how anyone can fail to be at least mildly impressed by his taking a flush punch from the division's best puncher is a little beyond me - but his strength impressed me more. Mosley manhandled the supposedly brute Margarito, but he only manhandled Money but once. After the right hand that buzzed Floyd, he was able to tie up and pin Mosley in a clinch for a extended period, before finding his way back on to steadier legs and fighting back. Comparing this to Hasegawa's standing with an arm slipped over a rope, failing to take even a knee whilst shipping power punches is one of the many differences between very good and great, which Mayweather proved he is last night. He showed survival skills to go with his other great attributes in that moment and I think criticising Shane for the follow up is to miss the point. You can only do what your opponent lets you do.

    I am beginning to wonder if I didn't see something different to everyone else. The blase reaction is strange. The list of p4p top 5 fighters suffering such total domination at the hands of a peer is very, very short, with reason.
     
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  3. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Show me.

    Yeah, and the following just proves how much sense you make :rofl:rofl:rofl

     
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  4. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I also think that Castillo won by 1 point but it is what is and Floyd is still undeafeated, i laugh how many make excuses for Lennox Lewis greatness and he is forgiven by all for getting kod by decent but far from great Rahman and Mccall. Mayweather has a controversial close decision win to a probable future HOF and gets criticized.:-( Im a big ODLH fan as most of you know but he was only slightly past it, Mosley was past it but both those guys were better than an Aging Holy or Tyson.
    PFP im not putting him as high as Leonard,Duran,Pep but i think his resume is almost comparable to Sweet Peas and HTH i like him over Whittaker.
     
    anarci, May 2, 2010
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think any scoring of the Castillo fight is OK (I had it a draw) it is a close fight. But Mayweather was injured and put it right with a rematch. At the end of the day, he got the nod in a very close one and i think that needs to be respected.
     
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  6. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The reasons being: 38 year old Mosley; 36 year old, blown up Marquez; mediocre Hatton. In other words, the depth of the sport in comparison to years past is a joke. The elite fighters on this planet are Mayweather and Pacquiao, by a long distance.
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There are always two fighters who are the best two fighters on the planet.

    There is also always a #3.

    Instances of either of the top 2 so utterly dominating someone else in the top 5 are very rare. You can argue that other era's have better pound four pound lists and you'd be right. But to take the #3 (Arguably) and make him look like he just turned pro is absolutley exceptional.



    Hatton was not mediocre; he was an oustanding 140lb champion who took the title from another outstanding 140lb champion. And nixed a belt at 147.

    Mosley was old, but he looked good against Margarito. The reaction to that fight was ridiculous; Mosley became overated. I consider your reaction to this fight a stretch also.
     
    McGrain, May 2, 2010
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  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Floyd Mayweather is not an all time great welterweight. He is an all time great promoter. He has defeated a brilliant selection of handpicked opponents that were old, small or both. He has managed to avoid the best welterweights and fought big names onthe downside of their careers. Defeating a 38 year old Shane Mosley who was coming off 18 months of inactivity is no huge achievement.

    Can someone tell me the last time Shane Mosley defeated a top, world class, fast boxer ?

    Now it is highly unlikely we will see him fight Paq, who has fought much better competition because of PED's ...

    Floyd is a great 130 and 135 pounder but an all time great and an all time great welter .... incomplete ...
     
    he grant, May 2, 2010
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  9. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Your point is off because your high rating of this Shane Mosley is way off .
     
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  10. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Right on, I saw Willie Pep, MSG in 1943,weighing 126, beat Allie Stolz a top rated 135 pounder,dropping Stolz,winning EVERY round...Pep lost to Sammy [the clutch]Angott,135 champ, in a controversial dec..Willie Pep beat 135 pound great .Willie Joyce, who twice defeated the alltime great Ike Williams...Willie Joyce who I saw live would have given 135 lb Mayweather hell..So good a boxer was Joyce..Pep also beat one time LW champ Paddy Demarco also...
    Before Pep's plane accident in 1947, he was virtually unhittable...
    By the way Pep had 242 bouts, losing six...Pep had FIVE times the amount of fights Floyd has..Does any one think that if Mayweather had fought almost weekly.against the very BESt,he would have a record like the "Will of the Wisp", had ? Not I !
     
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  11. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good:good Agreed!!
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    Older fans still have issues giving Mayweather his due. He has won titles in five weight classes, remains un-defeated, and pretty much made Pacquaio look like the bad guy by not agreeing to Olympic style blood testing.

    If Pacquaio changes his mind, or feels he's made as much money as can be made, perhaps he will agree to fight Mayweather.
     
    Mendoza, May 2, 2010
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  13. McGrain

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    I ranked Mosley amongs the ten best fighters in the world pound for pound going in. Finding someone to disagree with me before the fight would have been difficult.
     
    McGrain, May 2, 2010
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  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be honest, looking at today's top 10 p4p, and comparing it to for example the early 80's when we had Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, Alexis Arguello, Salvador Sanchez, Wilfredo Gomez, Aaron Pryor, Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, Wilfred Benitez and others, it does show that the class has lowered.

    I don't think Margarito is any better than a Gaspar Ortega for example. Pacquiao came up from super featherweight and easily handled two of the best welterweights of the past 10 years. Hopkins, Mosley and Marquez, great as they are, are somewhat like remnants from the previous era, there just hasn't been talent good enough to surpass them.
     
    TheGreatA, May 2, 2010
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  15. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah but it was also clear that 147 was wrong for him. He struggled with a mediocre fringe contender there. And Mayweather beat him at 147. I think that takes something away from this win. A good win nonetheless though.

    I agree but you have to admit that Margarito was made for Mosley stylewise. Just like Mosley was very much made for Mayweather.
     
    bodhi, May 2, 2010
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