Your opinions on Mayweather now?

I agree but have to add that most of the time fighters drop out of rankings when they don´t fight for more than a year, like Shane did.

 

1. Duran was at LW for around 8years. Mayweather was there for what 2 years and fought the best man twice, regardless of whether you thought he won the first fight or not. Ndous on par or better than most of Durans LW comp

2. Point is it can be harder being successful as you keep going in weight. I don't think Peps resume necessarily puts him in the top10 of all time, I think hes there on ability.

And yes, I stand corrected on Pep, he ultimately failed at lightweight though taking on a bigger man in Angott. Peps great I just think Mayweathers better and would beat him at a 128 catch weight, 130-135 certainly wouldnt be fair on Pep.

 

Mayweather-Hatton needed to happen, it was possibly the biggest fight in the world in 2005 and was for the best of the 140lb era. Its a poor mans version of Chavez-Whitaker with both being unbeaten, Hatton being a 2 weight champion with stoppages of Tyszu and Castillo, with other good wins in for good measure alongside being the lineal 140lb champion

 

Nah, I meant most rankings and I think that´s how it should be.

 

Of course it needed to happen ... at 140 not 147.

 

But you seem to think Mayweather ranks higher than Duran, and dismissed the latter's "Lightweight run" as being "relatively weak". Relative to what?

But Mayweather's does? Does he have better wins that those who float around in the Top 10?

Well, I happen to think that Pep would feint Mayweather all over the ring and beat him handily. There we disagree, evidently.

 

According to Ray Hatton, Rickys father, the Hattons turned the fight down at 140, partly because they believed Ricky wasnt ready. Ray Hatton said they turned down 7 offers in total. Mayweather first proposed a fight between the 2 before Ricky was champion, and proposed a fight after Ricky was champion for Novemeber 2005

Mayweather claimed Hatton wanted the fight at 147 to keep his 140lb Ring title, which Hatton would later cash in on. Weight is largely irrelevant given Hatton weighed more on the night and Mayweather was a small WW

 

Yeah, I know and often despite their own rules. I won´t argue with that. Just wanted to point out that a fighter beeing inactive for 18 month should be considered as retired.

 

No, it´s not because Hatten proved he can´t handle the extra-weight well.

 

In theory, sure. I like to look at the reality of the situation. In theory, Pacquiao's win over De La Hoya should've been one of the best of the era. In reality, it wasn't worth much more than to show that Pacquiao could carry the weight. I'm not making a direct parallel here, mind you, just giving an example. If Shane showed top 3 P4P form and Mayweather carried on as usual, I would agree with you in this instance. However, he showed nothing of the sort outside of a brief period early on, which is why I don't agree with you in this instance.

Sure, Floyd played a major part in that, but there's a difference between being made to look bad and offering up little to no resistance. Mosley blew his wad early and had no reserves.

He was decidedly average at 147. That much was proven prior to his bout with Floyd.

Mosley didn't "become" much less than he already was, though I do think his road has come to a dead end. The Margarito fight seems to have clouded judgement about just how good he was, despite his performances prior, when in reality it should've just exposed Margarito for the slow-as-molasses, unskilled toiler that he was (without the wraps, anyway).

 

I personally rank Mayweather higher than Duran, I dont have a massive problem with those who rank Armstrong/Pep/Duran above Mayweather, but I also don't think theres a gulf in class. To claim those fighters are level above and beyond criticism is something I'd take exception to.

Duran has 3 big wins against 2 men in his 6years at lightweight. I'm not sure this is particularly more impressive than Mayweathers 5year 130-135lb run where he fought Castillox2, Genaro Hernandez, Corrales, Manfredy, Carlos Hernandez, Chavez, Ndou, Sosa. No FMj didnt fight everyone, much like Duran didnt fight the 130lb or 140lb titlists. But like Duran he did fight most the best. I doubt there'd be many who'd fight either man unless paid a kings randsom.

In terms of dominance, weight jumping and longevity Mayweather ranks highly, 12years fighting world champions over 5weight classes without loss. Mayweather doesnt have anyone of the ability of a Leonard or Hearns on his resume, but Armstrong/Ross/Pep don't have anyone near that level of ability on their resume either. Few in history do, I dont even think Sugar Ray Robinson does.