Your opinions on Mayweather now?

He didnt actually add much extra weight, he just didnt have his usual size advantages from his weight draining. he still weighed in more on the night than Mayweather with a very low bodyfat and wasnt as drained as he usually was. Your ignoring the fact that the Hattons seemingly wanted the fight at 147

Believe it or not Mayweather and Collazo are better than Malignaggi

 

Most of you guys are too nice to the likes of Hatton, Margarito, cotto etc.

Just like with Fly and Bantam for the past 10-12 years or so, there has been barely any real P4P talents, or genuinely VERY GOOD contenders at 140 and 147.Note i'm talking about the emerging talents that were natural at these weights during that time, not smaller guys who had already proved their credentials at smaller weight.

I called this one fairly close, though i expected a better effort from the old man and was giving him the benefit of the doubt in some cases, but as i'd previously said, Mosley hasn't been more than a solid fighter for years now(he stopped being excellent after the first Forrest fight imo), and we already knew mayweather can beat solid fighters at this weight.Nobody was disputing that before this fight i'd hope.


This pay per view, only a few really big hyped fights per year culture that boxing has had arguably since the Sugar Ray Leonard days as far as hyping fights between two evenly matched contenders goes(though i'd say it only truly set in this past decade as the depth has dwindled and more and more stuff is given huge significance/stuck on pay per view)gives a lot of these fights a lot more focus than they deserve.

Debates about Floyd and welter greats shouldn't have changed much after this fight, i think it's more important that Floyd keeps beating fighters of this level to show he IS really good around 147 and worthy of inclusion in those debates.By dominating them he is at least staking his case as much as he possibly can.

in other words i just pppped in to say if beating a near 40 year old mosley suddenly made you think Floyd would a much better chance against someoen like Napoles, Griffith, Leonard etc than he did before....then you are ******ed.

 

Yeah, if you say so.:roll:

Mayweather yes. Collazo no.

 

:good

 

Collazo is better than Malignaggi

 

It amazes when some people on here say that Mayweather's skill set is overrated and fighters like Benitez were better than him. I have seen Benitez at his best against Duran and I don't think he's as quick as Mayweather or as varied defensively or offensively.

Mosley would have had much better success at landing on a prime Benitez last night.

 

And...........Mayweather's handspeed last night at the age of 33 fighting at welterweight was much quicker than Whitaker's in his prime at lightweight. And to be perfectly honest, not even up for debate.

 

Can't agree with you on the first quote McGrain, most of them are solid fighters to me, but a notch or two below that very good to excellent category for me.Too flawed...i'd put them in the same category as the bulk of hte eighties lightweights that were all largely beating each other after a few defences etc..Don't want to get too into semantics htough, and some i rate better than others obviously.


I agree with you on him recovering well after taking those shots from Mosley in the 2nd, though i thought he'd already shown he has adequate strength at this weight.Wasnt too surprised he was able to stand in with Shane.

Don't get me wrong though, i don't want to come across like i'm just dismissing the fight out of hand, or that we learned absolutely nothing from it.It was a fine win and performance.I just don't feel it had the importance for this kind of "what do you think now" thread and debate.

Probably comes down to me not being a fan of this late career incarnation of Mosley i guess.If i thought more of him i'd have a bit more to say.

 

How is it a horrible example? It illustrates what I was saying, drawing no parallel (as stated) to the Mayweather/Mosley fight.

Prior to his weight making issues, Oscar was just as good as Shane has been recently, in my opinion.

No, it just supports my theory that Floyd is in no way a great Welter. Granted, the fight was at 154, but Oscar was a natural 140-147 who relied more on pressing the fight behind a jab than brute strength or any physical advantage, so I don't think the weights detract from my view.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. You've hit the nail on the head.:roll:

Depends on your standards, I guess.

 

I don't think so. I think that's a pretty ludicrous statement, to be frank. Benitez relied more on slipping punches outright to open up countering opportunities than rolling and blocking as Floyd does. Shane would've been hitting air with those big overhand rights had he tried them on El Radar, and counter-jabbed to death.