Your opinions on Mayweather now?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by anarci, May 2, 2010.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That seems reasomable to me. Perhaps I mis-understood you.

    I think the difference is that Oscar was strong at 154 whilst Mayweather was fighting overweight, neither of which would have been the case at 147.

    Is there another way to say it? If i've understood you, you are saying that because Sugar Shane didn't look like a pound for pound top three fighter during the fight, (although you coceed that he perhaps did for two rounds) you can't award full credit to Mayweather?

    If that's right, I think it's grossly unfair, especially to a guy like Mayweather who boxes to take away his opponents strengths.

    Well I think that deriding a guy who has one winning effort against a world champion (read top contender if you don't like the straps) as "average" is an insanely high standard.
     
  2. McGrain

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    I have to agree with Anarci here.

    There's far to much "oh, it's what I expected so it's not that impressive."

    It's not a million miles away from what I expected to see, and I am very impressed. I'm not saying it's the cas for the boys in this thread (I hope not!) but there are people elsewhere saying that this literally adds nothing to legacy, because they expected to see it. That isn't how the world works. McLarning was expected to beat Al Singer; so what, great win. People seem to have clarity when looking back on these wins, but when it happens in the here and now, everybody goes "yeah, i expeceted that, pound for pound top 3? So what". I don't like that.
     
  3. lefthook31

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    I think Mayweathers size had a lot to do with that, and just like previous Mosley fights where he was outclassed, his frustrations got the better of him more than fatigue. The expression of fatigue on his face was more an expression of frustration and defeat and not having any answers. Mayweather is very good at emotionally breaking down his opponents, and with exception to the two good shots Mosley landed in the second, he had little success getting anything done against Mayweather and he was getting pole axed from distance.
    Again not much is made of Floyd not really being a big welterweight, especially around the time he fought Hatton. Hatton was just never in Mayweathers class, and if anything, had a little success because of "his" size advanatage nothing else.
    I agree with this, and I think people need to realize Shanes style is more of a brawler not a boxer, and hes shown at his peak that his speed can be offset by a fighter who knows how to, and has the strength, to establish the range and that their speed is not really a big factor. Mosley doesnt have a jab and has a very hard time setting up power shots if hes not in range or his opponent is right in front of him or coming towards him.
    The bottom line is that Floyd is in or above the technical class of Forrest or Wright, so there was little reason to believe he couldnt do the same other than Shane supposedly being physically bigger, which I believed was overblown.
     
  4. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't really look at things from the "P4P #3" angle, attributing accolades to fighter's names to justify their status. I watch them fight. I didn't really discredit Mayweather anyway. I fully expected a comfortable decision win, citing Mosley's age and physical deterioration (along with a stylistic disadvantage) as my reasons. All of that was shown to be true, so I rate the win pretty much accordingly. Mayweather fought a more manly fight than usual, I'll say. I thought it was a good performance.

    In all honesty, I'd have Floyd beating Shane (albeit in a different manner) even prime for prime. I think he's just a better boxer.

    Perhaps my wording was poor. Not average in the sense of being a typical run-of-the-mill, fighting for money ESPN fighter, but average in comparison to the world class/elite. Using the highest standards, of course. What other way is there to do it?
     
  5. smitty_son408

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    He may very well be past his absolute physical best, but from the looks of things it looks like all the pieces of Floyd's game are coming together perfectly at this particular point. It's almost as if he's in a 2nd prime so to speak.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Steady now, it's not to "justify their status", it's to explain their status - to categorie them.

    So do it. But you know full well it's not simply a case of forming an impression based upon his diplay, you have to ask why. And the why is, Mayweather took it away from him.

    I mention Fuji below. Fuji wasn't ****. But Nico Locche ****ing made him look it.



    Fair enough, perhaps this comes from an interest in British domestic fighters where "average" is a real category, not a relative one - it is the wrong word for Hatton though. Going back through history, I don't see anything but a difficult fight for a Lopololo or a Takeshi Fuji. I think the only guys that crush him are guys like Pacquiao, Chavez, Loche, so I even think your relative term is unfair. But so be it.
     
  7. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ^^^^ Yey i definitely agree with this:good
     
  8. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    hmm, never knew fighting the #3 p4p best fighter in the world was considered "handpicking". i guess we can say the same about pac handpicking clottey, who did absolutely nothing to step in the ring ith pac and was also coming off a loss. double standards are a ***** huh?
     
  9. djanders

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    I had no idea Mayweather would win by such a wide margin! I scored it 118-110 and wouldn't argue with anybody who had it 119-110, or even 119-109, since I thought the first round was very close. That was a VERY impressive performance by Floyd Mayweather! Shane came in with a good fight plan that seemed to be working at first, and he seriously tested Mayweather's chin and heart in that 2nd round. Floyd passed the test, adjusted, and completely took control of the fight. That's the stuff that proves a fighter is great!

    Shane Mosely also deserves respect for lasting the distance while taking that beating! He toughed it out for many rounds with very little left in his tank.

    Congratulations to Floyd Mayweather on a great win!
     
  10. McGrain

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    What an excellent and succinct post.
     
  11. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I understand, but when compared to so many others throughout history a guy like Hatton looks average and at times downright poor to me.

    Fuji was a huge puncher, not a terribly skilled fighter. Tailor-made for a guy like Locche. Whereas Mosley, in his prime, had other attributes to impose himself on a fighter the ilk of Floyd or Locche, he has deteriorated into a Fuji-like fighter in approach, albeit still more physically gifted as far as things like handspeed and combination-punching are concerned. Good fighters, not great, and expected to be dealt with accordingly when faced with the greats.

    Again, not saying Mosley was ****, but at this stage I don't think this fight was as conclusive as is being made out. I do think Floyd fought about as well as he could've, though. My favorite recent performance of his.
     
  12. teeto

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    I've had a bit of a rough weekend so i haven't been on in a couple days, i watched last night, and i just want to say i called this fight to a tee, check my posts. Like Floyd himself says, it's not bragging if you can back it up. Admittedly, i got Montiel-Hasegawa wrong, i got the general jist of the fight right, but never saw the stoppage.

    Anyway, it's never been in doubt that Mayweather is one of the top level greats in terms of what he can do. I know that a lot of people here don;t think so, but myself, i've never seen it any other way. On this win, well it's a top win, more so in the current sense than in all time sense, meaning that this is a top ranked fighter in the division and has been vanquished, but in a legacy assessment sense, well Mosley is definitely not in his prime.

    That's not an attempt at detraction though, I'd favour Mayweather over Mosley at any point of their careers, he has too many gears for Shane and he'd always have him confused and ereft for creativity.
     
  13. McGrain

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    We'll agree to disagree. I consider him a good and dominant champion who would only be out of his league versus the very best.

    Alghough Fuji was favourite to win that figt.

    I disagree. I think a primed WW mosley would look just as lost as he did last night, which is even more lost than he looked against Winky.
     
  14. Addie

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    My opinion hasn't really changed. I already knew Floyd was supremely gifted, and that was the reason I predicted him to win relatively comfortably. With that in mind, a quick shout out to Shane Mosley. You've been great over the years but now its' time for you to bow out and let these young guys come through. You know the end is near when you run out of gas after two-three rounds of fighting, and rarely throw a punch with conviction afterward.
     
  15. teeto

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    Just posted in your Alvarez thread mate.