Your p4p top 5 after last night

The 'pot shotting part timer' was a rather extreme riposte to Vano's 'glass shoulder' or whatnot.

Hopkins, whilst past his best physically, is the best purveyor of old school science for me. Floyd can do more against a wider range of opponents at this point of course, but when he's on form Hopkins sends chills down my spine.

The fact he's doing it at such an age it lends him extra kudos in my book.

He'll be gone soon though, he is not far off done IMO (no shame in that)

 

Floyd
Pac
Donaire
JMM
BHop
Martinez

Rest is debatable.

 

So was it just Hopkins that you meant then? I'm not trying to persist here or anything, it;s just that you mentioned more capable fighters and I'm curious, that's all, just trying to clear it up.





My standpoint on the Hopkins/Mayweather comparison remains the same as always. Hopkins is the most complete fighter in the world, and it's pretty much hands down. He's mastered boxing from a scientific persepective. But Mayweather is better than him. Being better ultimately deals with effectiveness. Roy Jones had a mere fraction of the science that Hopkins had, but Jones was better than him. Hopkins has me in awe just by taking steps around the ring , ****ing amazing.

 

Yes, Hopkins. And I disagree with Floyd being better. I think Hopkins, as you say (AND YOU GOT ME ENTIRELY :happy :bowdown) is the greater fighter.

As I say, as of today I'd agree that Floyd is the more versatile. But Hopkins, as you say, even more technical, and I think the fact he's faced more challenging opposition (and, like Floyd had some sub-par showings) is why he has had fights where he's been less effective.

I see what you mean though, this is just my view mate :good

Jones was incredible. One of the best fighters I've ever seen on film and the fighter that got me into boxing as a nipper.

 

they didn't call Jones superman for nothing. Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on Floyd/Hopkins. I didn't really say Hopkins was the greater fighter, I just think he's the most complete fighter in the world, and I can't agree on this-:bowdown enough.

:good

On Jones. Me and my mate were talking the other day about fighters the way people talk about rappers, we were saying who would be your top five dead or alive? Not as in what would be your top five in order, but just who would be your team of five fighters to have so that you could claim you have the best ever five fighters as your team? So it's not a greatness thing, just a who was the best thing, which is all opinion at the end of the day, who you think looks the best on film etc. For me I had to go with Robinson, Duran, Ali, and Pep has my definite four, and then I had to pick someone else which was difficult, and I went with Roy Jones.

Who would be yours?

I don't rate Pep as high as others do for p4p greatness tbh, I can't have him over Ali is what I mean, as others do. Can't see it on resume. People always hurl abuse at me and tell me I'm underrating his opposition, and I'm not, I think he is the best pure boxer of all time, but he does not have a better resume than Ali. Anyway, that's me ranting, so resumes aside, who would you have as your five?

Just for fun like.

Jones gets a lot of stick because of his chin, try fighting him in his prime though.

 

Lovely post :good

I'll approach it like I'm forming a superhero team of the 'best' fighters.

I'd have Duran, Jones, Ali, Robbo' and it'd be the 5th choice again which is most difficult for me.

I'll go for the best little guy I've ever seen to round it off: Chang :good

On his very best day, I don't think Roy loses to ANYONE between 160-168. At 175 it becomes way more tricky. But he'd still win more than he'd lose IMO.

In terms of phenomenal ability, Jones was the best for me. He just did things you couldn't make up. In terms of all-round attributes, punches, application of punches, the feints the slips the toughness, the showing of skill deployed over a vast amount of weight against some amazing fighters, Duran for me.

Robinson is....well, he's Robinson isn't he. Just. Sublime. Hard as ****, and one of the deadliest men to ever step into the ring. But also one of the most graceful, a privilege to watch.

Ali was like the Jones of the Heavyweights, but proved he could also get stuck in and still come out the winner. He is the leader of the team no doubt. The only man to stop George Foreman? COME OFF IT!!!! Ali was madness.

 

I thought you would go for Chang, a truly appropriate pic, like you say, if you're approaching it as a super hero team of boxers then yeah, try fighting Jung Koo Chang at his best, complete ****ing nightmare.

I suppose Marciano would have more of a chance of getting in peoples teams if he was considred an official cruiserweight rather than a heavyweight.

Anyone else got a team?

 

Just saw your edit Flea Man.

Yeah, great post. I do think Duran was probably the most skilled fighter of all time, whereas Robinson was likely the best fighter of all time. I can't even find words to do him justice tbh. And great point on Ali being like Jones but basically having more of that warrior x factor in abundance.

Imagine Ali leading that team, boosting them up with team talks before they went out to fight, oh my that is ****ing epiiiiiicccc!

 

:deal Pretty obvious pick, as I know you know just how insane a fighting force this man was.

And hey, every team needs the little Asian guy that batters everyone.

There could be a comedy skit where he just keeps swarming people, and Ali, cool as a cucumber, has to put his hand on Changs head and control him from distance, like a bully to a dwarf.

Who would be on the Boss team? The devastating 'villains' who crush everything in their path? Considering that we've seen enough of 'em to judge.

Tyson, Monzon, Leonard, Williams, Borkhorsor :yep

 

Tyson, sat on his dark throne, articulating what damage he will do to Ali.

When the teams face off, Ali dropping his vicious poetry on Kid Dynamite and making him angry. They scrap. A tornado engulfs them all

 

hahahaha, great post.

Imagine that, Ike Williams was no ****ing joke, he's the only one at lightweight I wouldn't want Duran going in with, even more so than Whitaker. The way Williams makes room for the most devastating bunches in punches potentially spells kryptonite imo.

 

:rofl:rofl

More episodes, more episodes!

 

Duran is obviously the Wolverine of the team. He goes missing, they find him bloated in a bar. Then he makes a triumphant return in good condition and batters everyone.

Arguello and Louis as the two cops looking to find out just what's going on and crack some skulls, their straight-up textbook punching making them ideal detectives

That's it, sorry for hijacking this thread Vano :good

 

Although I have heard Wadimir Klitschko might well make an appearance as a helpful, but easily smashable, ally of the good guys.

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