Your personal "Robbery" criteria

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  1. JonasLindberg

    JonasLindberg New Member Full Member

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    A lot of times, I hear people say "you can't call that a robbery, it was a close fight". The problem is, even though it's true that a lot of the rounds were close, sometimes one fighter is unanimously awarded each and every close round. So even though the action was close, there could still be a level of extreme bias operating.

    I've seen Max Kellerman describe what he called an "acceptable range". For example, in Loma vs Lopez, he considered the acceptable range to be from "Draw to Lopez by 2 rounds". I think that's a good way to do it. You take your actual score and create a "range" to account for what might be your own bias or lack of accuracy in scoring. When a fight is scored just outside your acceptable range, you disagree but consider it within reason. But anything beyond that may reflect a high level of bias. That's how I do it.
     
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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    This shouldn't really be a fluid subjective thing. Universal threshold for a robbery is: 6 (or more) rounds that you cannot possibly see for the guy that gets the official decision. Simple.
     
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  3. 007 373 5963

    007 373 5963 Active Member Full Member

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    Massive disparity between judges is usually a red flag.

    I hate how very even rounds are usually given to one boxer or the other. Rounds should be scored 10-10 much more frequently than they are. The idea that you have to give a round to just one boxer is a flawed concept. If a round is too close to call, then call it like it is, a draw, 10-10. Otherwise, you're just letting your personal bias make the decision on who to give the round to.
     
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  4. JonasLindberg

    JonasLindberg New Member Full Member

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    No disrespect but that's a little extreme. I imagine very few fights in history are quite that bad (6 rounds off). Some, but very few. If a fight is 3 or 4 rounds off from what it should be, that's pretty bad.
     
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  5. JonasLindberg

    JonasLindberg New Member Full Member

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    Agreed 100%. Also, a lot of people say "a close round goes to the champion". I don't like that criteria.

    When a given round is something like a 55-45 split, it's too hard to tell whether you missed something small that might have pushed it one way or the other. If a round is close but it's more like a 60-40 split, than obviously it goes to one guy over the other.
     
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  6. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Llike this. I had scored Lopez 7, Loma 5 rounds and there were 3 close rounds.
     
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  7. JonasLindberg

    JonasLindberg New Member Full Member

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    That's dead on how I scored it. And if anything, it was closer to a draw than 8-4 Lopez. It's irritating to me that so many people act like it's a stretch that it was a draw.
     
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  8. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    not rarely all close rounds are going for tickets seller, A side guy not away corner guy. If not worse, robberies in boxing is casual thing.
    Ofc also fanbase impacts this and fighters previous credentials. Everyone might get a bit biased if there long talks about how good is boxer A who is well known in this area. Atmosphere in hall, all stuff before fight too impact a lot.
    Commenting, everything.
     
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  9. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, it was close fight. More close than fans usually assume and I think Lopez barely had won this one. Including 2 from these rounds I had scored for Lopez.
    I replayed this with slow speed and re scored again.
     
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  10. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    LOL Yeah it's a robbery when every close round goes to the other guy. And of course, you score every close round for your guy. Blatant hypocracy! If that's the case, just call every close fight a draw so people will stop crying about "bad decisions".
     
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  11. JonasLindberg

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    The extent to which it's happening matters. If there's only two or three close rounds, then it won't be approaching robbery territory. But if there are four or five close rounds, and literally each one goes to one fighter, then bias is very possible.
     
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  12. Finkel

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    For me if one of the cards comes in that looks like it bore no relation to the fight, then it is a robbery if it impacts the final decision. And that includes whether people think the end decision was the correct one or not.

    Even if the correct man won, it was still attempted robbery.

    The ends don't justify the means.
     
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    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've noticed that often is used as a justification for people to give their favourite champion rounds. It's always funny when they try to use that in a unification. Obviously their guy is the true champion in that case.
     
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  14. TipNom

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    If the fighter I wanted to win loses a close decision it's a robbery and the judges should be publicly executed
     
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  15. McGrain

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    This is nearly it for me, but i'm a bit stricter.

    I also need ringsiders to see it that way.

    Holyfield-Valuev was roundly scored for Holyfield on tv. Almost everyone that watched it on tv scored it for Holyfield. But ringsiders almost universally scored it for Valuev. The difference was the Valuev jab. Looked **** on tv, really popped for ringsiders. Because fights are scored from ringside, not on tv, tv scorecards stop mattering after a certain point (it was nearly 100% of forty-something ringsiders).

    The ringside cards matter to me.
     
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