Your personal top 5 Jabbers of all time.?

1. Ali
2. Hearns
3. Liston
4. Holmes
5. Louis

Honorable Mention to Holman Williams who had a rising jab that was almost like a backhanded uppercut. He mastered that punch.

 

It's a deadly challenge, and we have to go with our first instincts when quickly trying to pick out only five [in your case, six with Buchanan]. I'd have virtually bet money on you selecting Archer along with Pastrano beforehand, so I was naturally fascinated by that particular omission from your list. [And it was easier for you than for me, since I plagiarized off of you!]

Amazing to hear the rising crescendo of MSG cheers as Joey's jabs repeatedly connect on a dodging and ducking Emile Griffith, as they would with each successive pass by those great Knicks NBA teams of the early 1970s. Fans don't seem so knowledgeable these days, not so capable of drawing excitement from the build up of nuanced anticipation. They gulp their cognac with ice now.

Your mention of Buchanan makes me want to review Buchanan-Watt, and compare Ken's orthodox jab with Jim's southpaw version.

Between Holmes and Liston, I'd definitely drop Sonny, as Larry did more with his jab for longer. Liston had some major wins where his jab was not a factor, while Holmes had extremely few victories where his jab wasn't a key in the outcome. I'm not you however, and the thread specified, "Your personal top five jabbers of all time?" I just figured that Joey would have met your individual criteria for a citation, and now you've indicated that's indeed correct. [I'm in the mood today of thinking about what others would want and value, dealing with Mother's Day considerations. My father has actually presented my mother and other family members with "gifts" he wanted for himself over the years. He's something of a selfish jerk, so I try to abnegate personal preferences and consider only what the recipient would want, appreciate or value, without regard for my personal opinion of it. In your case, I thought that might be Joey Archer for this thread. By the way, I bought my father a bottle of cognac for Father's Day a few years ago. You guessed it, he drank it with ice!:err:verysad My mother married a plebeian! Oh, the shame, THE SHAME!:-oops::sad2]

 

holmes

 

really doesn't sound like it, unless something has changed since 2002

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/boxing/artikel.php?ID=22649

 

Ali
Holmes
Page
Lewis
Thomas.

 

Macho Camacho is the only guy I've seen who could throw lik 5-6 jabs in a row

 

Well cheers for th reply anyway :good

If his left was like that I wonder wha this right felt like :shock:

 

Ali`s jab was a shade quicker. I think Ali`s jab had underated pop on it.

 

Yes, but longevity, execution and power are not supportive of his jab's supremacy among the heavyweights.

The argument's been made that he didn't really dominate a match with his jab after his exile, while Holmes could do it as long as he remained in competition. Larry took eight of the first ten rounds from Norton with it, and utterly crushed Ocasio with it after Jaws had emerged for his title shot from 20 rounds with fellow jab master Jimmy Young. Ali produced some hard jabs in the Jerry Quarry rematch, but nothing quite like Holmes-Ocasio. He was also long gone by the age Larry produced the Holmes-Mercer masterpiece which finally made Ray admit, "I guess I'd better learn how to box!," eventually giving Lennox arguably his biggest headache in a decision bout. Also don't forget that Larry nearly regained the title at 45, only one match after McCall crushed LL to win it. His jab wasn't a key factor in that one, but its potential to be never left him.

Head to head, put Eddie Futch in Larry's corner, then no version of Muhammad dominates Holmes with the jab, no matter how fast. The skill and timing of Holmes would have been enough to force Ali to win it behind his lightning right lead.

 

Norton said Ali had the better jab. I'll certainly take his word for it.

 

that would be a good opinion.

 

Wasn't Holmes' left shoulder injured during the Holmes-Norton fight?

Ali had a better one-two.

Holmes has the out-and-out jab.

 

Holmes jab was great, and his right hand was solid. A great one two punch. Funny how that era with Hearns and Holmes did a lot of the jab and right hand punching. Maybe the influence of Ali. You do not have those kinds of fighters with the jab nowadays.

 

Thought it was his right bicep?

 

If I remember right, Norton and Holmes didn't really care for each other. Norton has never mentioned Larry for anything (tough fights, best fighters he faced, etc), it seems like he tries to ignore Larry's existence as a whole.