Your rankings in 105 108 and 112 lbs?

105- Ricardo Lopez
108- Ricardo Lopez
112- Ricardo Lopez after a buffet

 

105:
R Gonzalez
Lopez
Calderón
Ioka
Aguirre

108:
R Gonzalez
Change
Carbajal
H Gonzalez
Are

112:
Wilde
Canto
Perez
Harada
Donaire
Arbachakov
Lacier
Borkhorsor
Villa
Pacquiao
Lynch
LaBarba
Kittikasem
Chitalada
Pong

 

Just commenting on 108. I'd probably put yuh in there. I like yuh.

 

Yuh an Zapata rate at 108 lbs.

 

I rate entirely on h2h, and there isn't enough discussion to bounce ideas back and forth for these low weights.

Yuh is a good shout though, Hilario doesn't make my top 5 h2h at the weight.

 

Surely yuh belongs then. Iron chin, tremendous work rate, hurtful puncher, threw in combination.

 

I'll watch some more of him. As I said, with not enough discussion names can easily slip through the net.

 

You'll love him. If Chang is Duran sans pop, yuh is chavez. Solid and tear you down sort of guy. Watch the son fight. Brutal.

 

A good comparison, but Yuh also couldn't crack either.

 

If you are doing head-to-head, then Harada beats Canto and Perez. (I don't like to speculate on fighters whom I have not seen on film - or seen enough of, so no comment on Wilde.)

 

True. They were Duran and Chavez but without the lights out punch.

Yuh really looked like he was hurting guys even when he wasn't finishing them. Like he was swinging bags full of Valencia oranges.

 

It was the late-fight accumulation effect rather than one-punch concussion though. "Sonagi" (the "Downpour") threw a ton of punches even for a little guy. And he was always physically better-conditioned than the other guy, so he could keep up his activity even in late rounds, when the effects of getting hit is multiplied.

It's also whom he went up against. There's not a Zapata, Chitalada, Kittikasem, or Gonzalez type of fighter anywhere on his ledger; heck, not even a Shin or Torres level. Part of it is timing, but also frankly his camp assiduously avoided whatever fight that could've been made that would've tested Yuh.

 

I like Yuh as well.

 

You know I really wish we still had the original 8 weights and one organization, so fighters like Yuh would not be called "all-time great." Maybe Yuh was (though I doubt), but with the original 8 weights and one organization system, we'd know for sure, because he'd actually have had to fight good fighters to win and retain titles.