Your SMW/168 Order

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by TommyV, Dec 5, 2010.


  1. Hitta_Squadup

    Hitta_Squadup Beast ***e Full Member

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    Ward
    Kessler
    Froch
    Bute
    Dirrell

    My top five, that good for you.
     
  2. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Neither Bika or Johnson' super-middleweight resumés of recent times are exactly stacked. And I firmly believe that Dirrell would beat both of those fairly comfortably.
     
  3. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    AA vs Bika could be an really good fight !
     
  4. artful

    artful *practice makes perfect* Full Member

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    :good
     
  5. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Could be a war. But despite Abraham's over-rated technique and low-activity, I still believe he beats Bika in most areas. The only thing that would worry Abraham for me is Bika's rough-house tactics, and the fact that Abraham loses his cool all too often and resorts to dirty, blatant tactics himself, or wild punches.
     
  6. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The problem with AA it's his workrate! anybody can outwork him and if AA doesn't land flush he can lost agains't a less talented guy!
     
  7. Beezy

    Beezy 2 Eazzy Full Member

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    I agree that Dirrel has the skills to beat him but who has the guy faced? I mean, if he had stayed in the tourney, I'd have him ranked but for now, it seems he likes to overact more than fight... I'm not doubting his injuries.. I'm just saying when he comes back and starts fighting the best.. then I'd consider him and his rankings.. but until then, I can't see why people wouldn't rank Johnson or Bika, or even Stieglitz ahead of him.. why keep him ranked when he says he's having a brain injury preventing him from fighting for some time?..

    And when he comes back, he should fight Kessler.... IMO
     
  8. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Mike Tyson syndrom he is beating bums but he's doing it in style
     
  9. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    Froch
    Ward
    Bute
     
  10. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now this is where I'm left scratching my head!!

    25% of esb have Ward in their P4P top ten (see separate poll)
    55% of esb have Froch in their P4P top ten (see separate poll)

    45% of esb have Ward as the best 168lber
    37% of esb have Froch as the best 168lber

    what the hell is going on here! make your mind up esb
     
  11. Bajingo

    Bajingo Boxing Junkie banned

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    1. Ward
    2. Froch
    3. Bute
     
  12. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    The poll results have somewhat restored my faith in the General Forum. Ward and Froch split and Bute far behind. That's how the poll should be.
     
  13. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    1. Ward (highest respect for outboxing a Kessler that had recovered from his loss to Calzaghe, dominated every top 10 SMW he's faced all that early in his career, very hard fighter to train against)

    2. Bute (Andrade II-on ring generalship is superb, varied arsenal of power punches with good strategy to place them, great accuracy on top of that, hard to rate him resume wise because of his exclusion from the S6, cannot believe for the love of god that Froch would outbox him)

    3. Froch (gave Kessler a very close fight, isn't afraid to go to war - actually he's super competent at it, awkward style and awesome reach, maybe one too many defensive flaws to honestly pretend he wouldn't take series of flush shots from Ward & Bute)

    That's all that matters to me right now. Dirrell might come back and might even want a tune-up fight before Bute, but to me Kessler is borderline retired... until I see a press release that tells me otherwise. This kind of discussion will have a much greater meaning by the time the S6 winner will have faced Bute.

    My $0.02.
     
  14. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Bute may have good ring generalship, and could probably beat Froch, but that is not what fighters are ranked on. There rankings are based on achievement, and as is clear to anyone who is not blind, Froch has a better resume and has clearly achieved more than Bute. Thus should be ranked ahead of him.

    My £0.02
     
  15. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Yep. Your rankings are based purely on resume. But the OP suggested otherwise, something like 35% H2H based. That's where Bute gets the edge over Froch for me, that's all. I totally, totally agree that Froch's resume & experience with top tier SMW is superior to Bute's.