Your SMW/168 Order

****... You just said he should be 6 or 7 now it's no higher then 4...meaning 4 is okey .... make you dumb mind already.[/QUOTE]

**** that's what I think but if u wanna place him higher I'm not gonna get emotional. I just cant see how some people can place him at number 1. you guys are ESB guru not little bitches who **** themselves when someone rates Bute at 6

 

Your world is not the boxing world, apparently. In the real boxing world, Bute got up at 8. Andrade was top 5 just before Ward wins against Kessler (one week prior to the rematch), in the Ring rankings.

Don't mix things. I'm not talking about today's rankings. I rate Bute number 3 for the moment.

 

Hi Andre ! i see that your head injury insn't getting better!atsch

 

****... You just said he should be 6 or 7 now it's no higher then 4...meaning 4 is okey .... make you dumb mind already.[/QUOTE]

**** that's what I think but if u wanna place him higher I'm not gonna get emotional. I just cant see how some people can place him at number 1. Jesus man straighten your knickers

 

Bika fared way better against Ward than any of his opponents in the past. In addition to that Abraham's shut out loss made AA drop big.

I disagree and so does The Ring.

 

If Bika was surprising against Ward, that also could mean Ward was overrated. Simple logic here. Bika has been pretty inactive these past two years and has lost his 2 last bouts. How can he be number 6?

In the last 3 years, his best win is Peter Manfredo. That doesn't give you the number 6 position. Sorry. It's only a way to make Ward look good.

 

Possible but highly unlikely. Ward looked too dominant against credible opposition to be a hype job.

He lost to The Ring no. 1 SMW and via DQ when he punched a KO1ed opponent.

Well, he fought Calzaghe, Bute and Ward who beat him but that's the reason why they're in front of him in the rankings. Nevertheless he looked competitive and absolute top 10 worthy against these three highly appraised warriors whereas Abraham didn't look competitive against Froch and Dirrel, neither did Green against Ward or Johnson (okay, that's kinda harsh, he was competitive but ultimately knocked out). Stieglitz? Miranda? Andrade? Brinkely? Nah. Bika is a legit no. 6 because there's nobody who has a proper resume to make his position disputable.

The only alternative I see at #6 ist Glen Johnson who's had only one fight recently at SMW but he looked good.

 

1) Ward
2) Bute (but nearly dead even with Ward)
3) Kessler
4) Froch (but nearly dead even with Kessler)
5) Dirrell
6) Bika
7) Andrade
8) Johnson
9) Abraham
10) Stieglitz
11) Sartison (but about even with Stieglitz)

After that, there's a big gap. Next group includes guys like Miranda, Green, Magee, Brinkley, Balzsay, Smith, Chilemba and Oosthuizen. Top 5 are all P4P top 30 for me. If he can win convincingly this weekend, James DeGale probably moves up to #12 for me.

Justification for Bika - he's given Joe Calzaghe, Lucian Bute and Andre Ward arguably their toughest fights at 168. He's also looked completely dominant in beating some pretty decent C level competition in Manfredo, Mendy and Codrington. I basically count Mendy as a win - he was legitimately DQed, and he deserves the loss on his record, but he was slaughtering Mendy.

 

Froch is and should be #1. Ward and Bute's resumes do not even come close to his. Kessler is retired, basically.

I think Bute is the most skilled though, of all of them.

 

I don't know where this fiction has come from that Froch's resume is so much better than everyone else's.

Ward:
Dominant win over Kessler, was #1 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Sakio Bika, was #7 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Allan Green, was #9 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Edison Miranda, was a top 15 SMW at the time

Froch:
Close loss to Kessler, who Ward just dominated
Dominant win over Arthur Abraham, was #5 SMW at the time
Close win over Jermain Taylor, was #5 SMW at the time
Close win over Jean Pascal, was #10 SMW at the time
Close win over Andre Dirrell, was a top 15 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Brian Magee, was a top 20 SMW at the time

Hell, just for fun...

Bute:
Mostly dominant win over Librado Andrade, was #6 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Librado Andrade, was #7 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Sakio Bika, was #7 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Alejandro Berrio, was #8 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Jesse Brinkley, was #10 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Fulgencio Zuniga, was #10 SMW at the time
Dominant win over Edison Miranda, was top 15 SMW at the time

The only reason Froch's resume even looks good is because (a) he managed to get a hometown win over Dirrell, who went on to beat Abraham and (b) Pascal has improved considerably since fighting Froch and became light heavyweight champ.

I also don't know why people keep repeating this tripe that Kessler is retired. He's injured. He's said he's fighting again. He's NOT retired.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl dominant wins over andrade? 1 of them when he got Knocked down and needed help from the ref atsch and you call Froch's win over Taylor close when he knocked him out

The fact is Froch list includes beating 3 former or Current World Champions and 1 Current European Champion, the names on Bute's list haven't won anything atsch A close loss to Kessler is better than anything Bute has done :yep

 

If you prefer, I can call Bute's win over Andrade controversial and call Froch's win over Dirrell controversial as well. Froch was within one minute of losing to Taylor on the cards, and he knocked him out - I personally call that a close win. Bute won 11 rounds, gassed out, and almost got KOed in the 12th. I won't go into the whole 'long count' situation again because it's been beaten to death, but it's my position that he was on his feet before a normal count of 10 either way and the fight was over. There's still a decent argument that a non-hometown referee would have stopped the fight with about 30 seconds to go when Bute was stumbling all over the ring, but that's a different issue.

Either way, the point still stands. Froch has a good resume. He has the strongest SCHEDULE of anyone at 168, but that doesn't necessarily mean he has the strongest resume.

 

Are you sure you got the rankings right ?
I remember before the first fight ring magazine rankings where :
#1 Kessler
#2 Bute
#3 Andrade
Froch was scheduled to have a eliminator against Pascal

I'm not sure, but that is what I remember.

 

**I wont rate Kessler or Dirrell until they officially announce their comeback.

01- Andre Ward
02- Carl Froch
03- Lucian Bute
04- Glen Johnson
05- Librado Andrade
06- Robert Stieglitz
07- Sakio Bika
08- Arthur Abraham
09- Brian Magee
10- Dimitri Sartison

 

How has Pascal improved so much since fighting Froch? I saw the same Pascal against Diaconu twice, and the only difference in the Dawson fight was that he conserved his energy and fought in bursts, lowering his output. He benefited from Dawson's output being so low aswell, If Dawson has thrown more punches, the fight would have been closer. Pascal's gameplan may have improved a bit, but he as a fighter has not improved massively.