Your SMW/168 Order

What's this nonsense?

 

There is Glen Johnson and also Librado Andrade. Andrade has won against Stieglitz and Mack. That's better than any of Bika's win. For me, Bika is at best number 8, at worst number 10.

 

What's this nonsense?

 

No one going to reply then and are just going to ignore the 2nd part of my question

 

Because that means nothing. Beating shot champions means nothing.

 

Bika gives everyone a tough fight, I wouldn't put it past him beating Froch. Froch is getting overrated big time on here. I rate Bika. Bute lacks the opposition to be near the top. Head to head I think Dirrell beats everyone at 168. Ward is the best fighter technically and has the big name of Kessler who is proven at super middle.

 

:silly


Froch's resume is far better than Bute's and Ward's. For one reason Froch fought Kessler in Denmark, Pascal in Canada, and Taylor in America,and AA was not in England. Ward and Bute have fought mostly in their hometown, and Ward's best win he should have been dq'd for the way he fought, and you are kidding yourself about the Froch/Dirrell fight. The right person won. You can not fight that defensively and except to win a title.

 

Actually, Froch fought Pascal in Nottingham. But no need to let things like facts get in the way.

 

FWIW, I'm getting pretty sick of the Froch nuthuggery around here lately. I've laid out rational arguments, and if someone is too dense to even entertain it, that's their problem and not mine. I've avoided doing this up to this point, but let's poke a few holes in Froch's resume:

Pascal - A good win for sure, but anyone who thinks Pascal was the same fighter when he fought Froch as he is now is fooling themselves. His best wins are over Dawson (who the same people who are supporting Froch now spent half their time talking about how crappy he was and how all of his wins came over old, faded fighters), the midget Diaconu and 44 year old Silvio Branco, who he struggled against at times. Still, Froch pulled out the win by the skin of his teeth, barely getting by a guy who was almost knocked out by Omar Pittman just one fight prior.

Taylor - A win that seemed better at the time than it seems now. Here's a guy with a record of 1-3 against decent competition at SMW, with the one win coming over a shot to hell Jeff Lacy. After Froch struggled and knocked Taylor out with one minute left, his very next fight he was dominated by Arthur Abraham and since then has basically retired because he's toast.

Dirrell - This would be a good win...if it was a win. If the fight is just about anywhere outside of England, Dirrell wins the fight. Some of the scoring for this fight was downright absurd. While Dirrell fought 'negatively', he rocked Froch and landed the harder punches in almost every round. Even as such, the only good win Dirrell has is over Arthur Abraham, who isn't all that great of a win.

Kessler - News flash - Froch LOST this fight. He fought very even with Kessler, and it wouldn't have been out of the question if Froch had won on the cards, but he lost and the scoring was perfectly fair. This wasn't a robbery of any kind. And while Kessler is a good fighter, he had just received a major beating from Andre Ward. Plus, to top it off, Kessler says he couldn't even see out of one eye for the fight due to injuries sustained against Ward. So Froch was able to fight even with a one-eyed Kessler. Good for him.

Abraham - Finally someone Froch dominated. Too bad he's not a super middleweight, and his record is more padded than the stay puft marshmellow man. His best win is over a shot Jermain Taylor who retired after the fight, and his next best win is over Edison Miranda, who nobody seems to give Ward or Bute credit for beating, so why should Abraham get credit? After that, it's light hitting pressure fighter Khoren Gevor and a bunch of middleweight defenses against guys who weren't even top 10. He's gone all of 2-2 at super middleweight, and he's basically a walking totem pole who occasionally throws punches. For YEARS before they fought, I've been saying that Froch is a stylistic nightmare for the very basic Abraham, who can't throw a punch when he's under pressure, and who only has a puncher's chance against a tall fighter who can bring pressure and loop punches around his high guard. So while it's a decent win - Abraham was a top 10 SMW after all - it's not as great as people are making it out to be. Abraham was someone Froch SHOULD have beaten thoroughly. He got the job done, and credit to him for that, but it's not a great win.

Now I'm not conceited enough to think my point of view is the only valid one out there. I'm willing to admit there's an argument to put Froch as high as #2 in the division, if you give a lot of weight to strength of schedule. But there's also an argument that he should be as low as #5, and there is NO legitimate argument to have him in the pound for pound top 5.

:hi:

 

1) Bute
2) Ward
3) Kessler
4) Froch
5) Dirrel
6) Abraham

...This seems like a no brainer to me.:smoke

 

Froch
Ward
Bute

 

1.Ward
2.Froch
3.Bute
4.Dirrell
5.Kessler
6.AA

 

Ward
Bute
Froch
Kessler
AA
Faker.

 

Froch
Ward
Bute
Kessler
Dirrell
Abraham

 

It means nothing that Froch has beat winners :huh and Bute hasn't :nut

Bika - Solid win probably the best on his resume but still he hasn't won anything or beaten anyone at the Top level.

Berrio - Gate Keeper beat Stieglitz to get the vacant IBF SMW title both guys haven't beat anyone at the Top level, lost in his 1st defence against Bute.

Andrade - Journeyman his best win against Stieglitz *see Berrio, was already Dominated and shutout by Kessler 2 years before, Yet the Journeyman gave Bute the Bambi treatment rocked and out of his feet then tasted the canvas with a very long count he arguably gave Bute his 1st unofficial loss :yep Bute needed a rematch to finally beat the Journeyman.

Zuniga - nothing to say hasn't beaten anyone at the Top Level or at any Level.

Miranda - same as Zuniga, Already beaten by Abraham x2 and Ward.

Brinkley - oh god yh you get the picture :|