Your Thoughts/Opinions/Observations And The Like On Mayweather-Ortiz?

I think Mayweather wasn't bothered about Ortiz closing the distance Tbh. Against Pac im sure he will be much more conservative and try to keep it at range, saying that Pac has alot quicker feet and hands then Ortiz. Manny gets very sloppy at times when he is throwing combinations, Floyd is a good counter puncher and would no doubt cause Manny problems.

 

Just watched the fight properly and my observations are..

Early on Mayweather tries to fight use the typical and wise punches that a orthodox fight should use against a southpaw ie. Jab, Lead Right but you could see as he threw the punches he wasn't comfortable leading off against Ortiz and was missing by a wide margin. It was clear Floyd's timing in the first two rounds was not great and Ortiz caused him problems with his lateral movement and quick left leads.

Nothing really troubling Floyd but Victor landed and also got close and landed some decent work. From the later stages of round 2 Ortiz started to head towards his downfall. The opening round and a half he was holding his own due to his lateral movement and speed. He started to walk in straight lines with a little head movement but no thought going into his work just trying to rush Floyd. Problem was at times he was standing in front of Mayweather and Floyd started to land and get a feel for his opponent.

Ortiz didn't respond well to Floyd's initial success in round 3 and starts to back off and looks a bit overwhelmed by the speed and timing of Floyd's work. At times when he backed off early on he was actually making Floyd miss and at times did land counters but Floyd loves when he senses fear and fragility and this is a major reason why he's used Ortiz (explain my choice of words later).

Ortiz started to come away from his plan of offsetting the jab and working in short bursts to score. He was now becoming bewildered by the speed and variation of Mayweather's work. He became frustrated rather quickly but still had relative success when working in mid-short range then stupidly! Headbutts his man all because Mayweather was becoming the general. Then obviously we know what happens next....

Anyways i feel Floyd's defence in this fight showed somewhat of fragility due to him not being as fast on his feet as he used to be. He's standing his ground a lot more and looking to use his shoulder roll more because of this. Fighters with decent speed of foot and hand will land more now on Floyd and it's understandable because of long layoff's and age.

His timing once he got was fine and his combinations was really nice to watch although Ortiz became rather lead footed and isn't exactly a defensive wizard. The ending was rather sad because Floyd could of stopped him in a much more pleasing way from my POV but Floyd sensed a chance to close the show and thus avoiding anymore contact and overtime.

Ortiz future? I agree with Vano it may be harsh but give it up lad. Your smiling and laughing after losing your world title. The kid's hearts not in sport IMO and he's not gonna do much more then he has. He did well up and till the 4th and then fell apart. He's not cut out for top level boxing and has made a fair bit of money from it. Get out now while you can pal.

Mayweather well as i said earlier he's used Ortiz, I said it in the face off video that he sensed a fragile fighter he could expose for not only good money/shake off rust but also because he wanted a southpaw to look good against. Pacquiao's has acknowledged this and said he's using Ortiz as prep for a future fight against him. Yes Ortiz isn't like Pac but Floyd knows deep down he isn't exactly 100% comfortable with lefty's.

For me the Pacquiao fight will happen if Manny wins against JMM. IMO Floyd's doing what some have done in the past but less blatant and less calculated. He's letting Manny's prime years go by and also wear and tear mount up and then will take him at the time he feel's right. I've started to feel this way for around a year and see this fight happening in 2012.

Can Manny beat Floyd? After the Mosley fight i'm bit concerned for him because he didn't look comfortable leading off against a really negative fighter. In Floyd i feel he would adopt slightly similar tactics against Pac but i feel Manny will be able to engage Floyd. He's got to fight with angles/compactness and composure.

I'd love to see Martinez vs Floyd, Don't see it happening but i think he'd cause Floyd a number of problems after what i saw last night. (Half steps back,feints,angles of punches, Alpha-Male attitude (Feel's the boss in there).

 

soon as i saw jiminy cricket had got the job i knew he would f**k it up and he did.the man has been shot as a ref for a while now.the outrage over this is funny, calling it a low point for boxing and one of the most unsportsmanlike things to happen in a ring is pure hyperbole, it wouldn't even make a topten of the dirty **** kid mccoy pulled.

 

Grant gloves, Big ring, Joe Cortez

:think

any1 think Floyd might lack confidence:think or is that stating the obvious

 

Anything that minimizes the risk of losing mate. He will do what he can to gain a advantage.

 

the weight with Marquez

 

floyd was walking it and he would have won every round (like i said) and got the wide UD if the fight carried on like it did, no reason to suggest it wouldnt imo......every round ortiz was getting pinged a tad more.......it would have just continued.......

easy fight to read months before it even heard the first bell.

 

Of course it would be fairly close and competitive, my was at 'too good for Pac', it just sounded a hyperbolic statement. If they aren't on the same level of ability, it's Pac who is 'better' surely?

 

Cortez did not say box on. He said 'lets go' which gets them close to each other. While that is happening he is trying to talk to the timer asking him to re start the clock having called time. Which must be done before you can box on again! Illegal shots clearly.

Did Floyd stand on his foot to land the right hand?

 

floyd looked a lot worse to me than he has before. his reflexes are really slowing. he is still a master and as usual i was in awe of his ability. taking away ortiz jab just by his movement. the lead right hand landing at will. the short check hooks.

one thing ive noticed about floyd is that he always telegraphs the right hand by his back leg. if you look at him every time he throws a right hand he gets onto the tip of his toe on his back leg and then waits a second and throws the right hand. this is something roach would have noticed but its probably a hard thing for a fighter in the ring to notice.

ortiz had success mostly with body shots and with some head shots. when floyd smiles and shakes his head that serves as confirmation that the punches landed.

i think pacquiao has a better chance against this version of floyd. the problem pac will have is avoiding the straight right hand. i think mayweather would be putting a lot of power into that shot to make pac honest. seeing how frustrated pac can get with negative fighters, its easy to see mayweather frustrating him. i still pick floyd but his chances of winning are decreasing all the time.

 

Floyd

Looked good really from beginning till end. He doesn't cope well with southpaws early on and this was repeated. It didn't help that Ortiz is so weird and poorly schooled, it was obviously hard to judge what he was going to do next.

Mayweather got caught a couple of times, but never flush, because Ortiz is quite fast and Floyd is 34 after all. But he never looked troubled or even uncomfortable.

What was nice was that, since he's happier to stay in the pocket, he was taking it to Ortiz in the third. He showed good combination punching, good accuracy and he put pressure on the younger man. It was actually a pretty comprehensive showing. He needs to be more active if he wants to keep fighting at his, relatively, advanced age.

He was more entertaining in the ring that usual. Was nice to see.

The stoppage

Well Ortiz has no excuse. He fouled Floyd then, rather stupidly, thought he could rely on good sportsmanship. Cortez had said "let's go", so WTF was he doing hugging Floyd? And why was he staring at the ref after Floyd fired that hook?

No sympathy and I don't even think it was that bad for Mayweather to take advantage. He got payback and he won the fight. Seems fair enough to me.

Ortiz

Everything I've said about him recently was apparent last night. Sloppy technique, complete inability to maintain the right distance, and no jab. The mental weaknesses that others believed exorcised with the Berto fight were all there. The reason he was able to pull that out was that Berto was even weaker, not that he had changed.

The "just happy to be here" thing is strange, but he probably realised he'd gotten off fairly lucky. The fight was heading in one direction: a career-shortening beating. So he probably was grateful he's at least guaranteed immortality through the highlight reel KO. It certainly won't be for his performances in the ring.

 

Shut up you ******.

 

Ortiz really just doesn't give a **** about anything!

 

I agree with alot of your points, Floyd certainly looked beatable last night people in the general seem blind to the fact he was pushed up against the ropes and clocked with a few shots. He also seemed to miss a few more than usual but this could be down to him being on the front foot. Pac definitely gives Floyd a fight

 

Against the ropes he didn't get hit cleanly once.

He appeared to miss with more straight rights than his last few fights to me too, but apparently he connected with half his power shots.

It's almost like Floyd is shot now if he takes a single punch.