Your Thoughts/Opinions/Observations And The Like On Mayweather-Ortiz?

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    There's only one Mayweather!! (well, one active Mayweather :D Mamba was a bad dude...and would have taken care of business the exact same way had he been headbutted like that)


    ...while the Ortizes of the world are a dime a dozen. :cool:
     
  2. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Just watched Ortiz's part of the post-fight presser(I'll post it when I get the chance), just reaffirms my(and many others) belief that he's just a fragile fighter mentally.

    I can't believe that it took until the last minute or so for somebody to ask him why he was so jovial despite just being controversially knocked out in the biggest moment, on the biggest stage of his career. His answer of crying it all out in the shower I don't buy, he was acting too casually, his "just happy to be here" attitude was so obviously apparent. I didn't even bother counting the amount of times he said "well, stuff happens, y'know", it was just bizarre all round.

    I really like the guy, both in the ring and from what I've seen of him as a person. But this sport really doesn't seem his things, it's all well and good being a light-hearted guy, been the way he was acting, it's just not right. It's a risky demeanour to have in boxing, the kind of care-free persona he exudes, it's not always going to work in your favour.

    Even when he was calling for a rematch, he was hardly vehemently demanding one, almost saying it merely because his manager had already done so prior to him speaking. He even looked baffled when asked a reason for a rematch other than as a means of financial gain for Floyd, he couldn't even think of saying due to the fact it was an "injustice", all he could think of was saying that he had nothing growing up and that he barely got paid here.

    He says he'll be a champion again within 6 months, but I doubt he even wants that to be the case, much less believes it will happen. His heart, nor head seems to be in the game at all, he even admitted that he was happy "for this opportunity", not realising that he was champion, a champion should not be grateful for an opportunity, he gives opponents the opportunity to challenge, which was the case here.

    Coming out with stuff like Berto was faster and stronger than Mayweather, and agreeing with one utter mong who said that he thought Victor was winning the fight and that Floyd's "***** move" saved him, it was just strange all round. He clearly doesn't have it up top to go with his obvious abilities, I hope he has it up top to question whether he wants to continue with this or not though. I like him, I really do, and I'd hate to see him get badly damaged in the long run simply because he's fragile mentally.

    I'm on my iPod now(reason for possible grammar errors, my apologies), but I will post both parts(Ortiz's and Mayweather's) whenever I get the chance.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Oh man, there's some stuff you gotta see. :lol:

    Exhibit A: http://fighthype.com/pages/content10772.html

    Exhibit B: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344006
     
  4. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Thing is, from what I've seen IB Ortiz want exactly lamenting Cortez was he? Maybe I've missed something but he strikes means the only person from his entire team that hasn't lost it at what transpired. Post-fight interview with Merchant, his team is hootin' and hollerin' during the replay and he says "nah, it's ok though". Post fight presser, "misunderstanding". He said he felt the result was unfair, of course he would, what do you expect him to do?

    I couldn't give a shot whether or not he's lied about his "past", I couldn't care less about his past anyways, and never really bothered listening to him about it, considering the sheer amount he's constantly droned on about it. Watching interviews and the likes with him, just strikes me as somewhat naive, and an alright guy outside of the ring. He has a "story" that assists his promoters, that has no real bearing on my opinion of him. I don't believe him to be that good an actor that this entire attitude, or persona he has is completely fake.
     
  5. Vano-Irons

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    As ive said before, the guy is just mentally weak, too weak to make it in this game. Dont get me wrong, he doesnt seem like a bad person, but I seriously thought he would give it a go, rather than butting mayweather and pretending they are best mates afterwards.

    Like i've said before, he has earned a lot of money from that fight. He has been a world champion, and fought against the best in the sport. If the kid's heart isnt in it, if he really isnt dedicated (after all, boxing is hard!), then just call it a day. There's little point him carrying on. And it's a shame because he can be pretty explosive at times!
     
  6. BoxingAnalyst

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    It was just my opinion Flea, if and when they fight Mayweather will prove he is the superior boxer. :good
     
  7. lirva

    lirva Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ortiz is a bit of a ****** i think. i wouldnt even want him serving me in mcdonalds.
     
  8. Scottrf

    Scottrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    “You’re literally ordering from a tree, bro.”
     
  9. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    Unfortunately that's how week the division is. Obviously pac is the fight I wanna see most. But outside of that berto is probably now the highest ranked ww. Cotto or canelo are probably top two lmw's and khan and brad are top two lww's.

    The ww division is **** and unification matches would involve berto, pac or senchenko. The gulf in talent is obvious but it is what it is.
     
  11. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    I feel as though I should clarify what I said in relation to Mayweather's timing and reflexes as it seems to have been interpreted incorrectly by some people, which makes sense seeing as, looking back, I didn't exactly make my point crystal clear for all to see.

    I am not suggesting that either his timing or reflexes are ''shot'' or have slipped drastically or anything of the sort, I'm merely saying that, Floyd Mayweather has set a standard throughout his career, and, in my opinion, against Ortiz neither his reflexes nor his timing were at that extremely high standard.

    He got hit by shots, actually ducked into punches before they were thrown, the kind that wouldn't have really had a hope of landing on the man previously. Rather than attempting to evade a punch when he could see what it was that was coming towards him, he was slipping and rolling trying to predict what was going to be launched at him, which he hasn't had the tendancy to do in the past.

    His timing, I don't think I have to really delve into. As I said, despite his high connect %, it was the margins he failed to land his lead right and left hook by that were striking, not the regularity in which he was able to connect. Plenty of times over the short duration the fight lasted he was falling short and veering to the side with his punches by pretty sizeable distances.

    I'd like to reiterate that this is simply in comparison to the standard he has set. I still believe it to be an excellent display, I still believe him to be a great fighter, they were just things that, in my opinion, weren't up to the gargantuan level he has set over the years is all.
     
  12. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    In fairness, Jpab, Floyd always looks clumsy with southpaws till he figures out the distance. I remember he looked crap against Judah early on too.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You missed some whole chunks of meaty goodness, Mr. Skimmy Skim-Skim! :nono :yep

    There's a good deal more to what it was my aim to illustrate with both those links than just the issue of Ortiz whether Ortiz raised a big stink about the cheap shot, or lied about his origins.

    You were commending what you'd perceived of him as both a likeable fighter and person.

    As a fighter, he has done some eyebrow-raising things to say the least.

    Quitting (famously against Maidana, and several times altogether if you count his amateur days).

    Throwing dirty cheap shots against weaker foes and then shirking responsibility for ti.

    Butting like an itty-bity hybrid between Evander Holyfield and a triceratops. (yeah, Holy's done a LOT of impregnatin' without discriminatin'...)

    As a person, he's done some downright nasty stuff. Did you read the part in Robert Garcia's interview about Ricky Lopez? Scope that out if you get a moment. Not to mention how he happily drove a wedge into a close-knit boxing family and created a bitter grudge that lasts to this day?


    ...and in the final analysis, his accusation of Mayweather throwing a cheap shot while "on the break"
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    IS significant (especially given his personal history with that violation) - even if he did it in a low-key passive aggressive manner that made it seem like he was "totally cool with it, brah! These things happen!". It doesn't matter that he wasn't making a big deal out of it or throwing a tantrum. The fact is that he instantaneously assumed the position of being the victim, even though he made sure to not seem like a finger-pointer by including the "nobody's perfect, it's nobody's fault really" line. It's win-win. He gets to milk sympathy without anyone calling sour grapes.

    That whole "it's all good, homie!" act is called PR. It's called spin. He's one of the blatantly phoniest people on the planet. His forced shite-eating grin throughout the entire aftermath is the equivalent of a mayoral candidate wrapping his lips around the downy pate of some random infant that's been who knows where. It's something he sucks up and does as a means to an end. It isn't who he is. He isn't this nice-guy surfer dude who isn't rattled by anything. He's a weird freaking psycopath who's a good manipulator.

    I promise you he's currently throwing darts at full-color printouts of Mayweather's face, and Cortez's. And his dad. And Rios. Creepy beady eyed softer-spoken-than-even-Oscar piece of ****.
     
  14. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Exactly why I dislike him - after watching him on the Face-Off with Floyd, I couldn't stand him.
     
  15. DDA365

    DDA365 Gatecrasher Full Member

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    he's not really that good a manipulator is he