Your Thoughts/Opinions/Observations And The Like On Mayweather-Ortiz?

It depends on the mark. :conf There are suckers born every minute. Lampley obviously is one.

 

well yeah but if that is all an act it basically just got him knocked out and embarrassed really

 

I'm not sure if I said it on this thread, but Ortiz comes over as someone who has been very heavily coached for the media. Unfortunately, unlike his mentor Oscar, he's a bit dim and finds it hard to stay "on-message" consistently. He veers to extremes because he doesn't understand the nuances he needs to deliver.

He was probably meant to say

"These things happen but, honestly, I'm disappointed. I shouldn't have tried to headbutt him - I got caught up in the moment. As for the punches that ended it, I know I should have been defending myself, but for a future hall of fame fighter like Floyd to take advantage of that when I was trying to apologise is really bad for the sport. But I'm going to learn a lot from it, he's a great fighter and I hope I can to the level he's at some day."

 

ortiz comes across as faker then oscar and floyd an amazing achievement

 

I know he gets a lot of stick for it but I actually really like Ortiz's attitude. Sure it's not the classic Mexican warrior mentality but he genuinely seems to just enjoy every moment he has which is refreshing. You got a young guy who quits for his first proper loss, 2 minutes later he's doing an interview and smiling, even though he's disappointed and questioning his own heart he still seems content.

A couple years later he throws away a fight against Lamont Peterson and ends with a draw. Again does an interview saying he was happy with how he did and feels like he's still improving.

Then against Floyd he gets lost in the moment (probably surprised he was actually able to have a little success against Mayweather) and then gets knocked out in an unsportsmanlike manner yet still rises to his feet smiling and enjoying where he's got to.

It might not make him a winner, but it's still good to see a great attitude like that.

 

Show me a good loser and ill show you a loser

 

A loser with another 2 million dollars in the bank :deal

Only this one appreciates it and doesn't feel the need to act a **** about it.

 

Well i suppose if money is all you care about....

 

:huh

 

Does anyone think this fight adds much to Floyds resume/legacy/alltime standing? If so, how much?

He's wasting time IMO.

 

It adds very little. Ortiz's flaws were telegraphed many fights before - the loss to Maidana, the draw with Peterson and even the win over Berto. Even against aged fighters like Campbell and Harris he looked tentative and sloppy.

There was never any way he'd have beaten Floyd unless he completely changed, sorted out all his technical flaws (though ironically, his terrible balance and footwork gave him some small successes against Floyd, who couldn't quite get him down early) and acquired a jab.

In fact, the manner in which Victor unravelled diminishes the win anyway, never mind the twatty manner Floyd finished it in.

 

The fight really adds nothing to Floyd's career other than leaving an entertaining memory, something that actually lacked in tougher fights against Marquez and Mosley.

What highlights it is that before the stupid headbutt that finished things, Ortiz actually had Floyd on the ropes and was wailing away de la Hoya style. Ok he wasn't landing much but Floyd wasn't really countering either. That was the last proper action of the fight.

Now if that was someone like Pacquiao and then the fight ended in a bizarre manner, people would be all over "ooh Manny had him hurt" "Floyd was gone" etc

This just goes to show that almost everybody knew Ortiz had no chance of winning.

 

And Ortiz didn't actually hurt Floyd - he caught him a bit, then bullied him to the ropes before flailing somewhat comically and landing nothing. In fact, the image below describes Ortiz's tactical approach to getting in close:

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No body work, no jab, just leaning on Floyd with no leverage and no technique. There was no danger whatsoever. Manny wouldn't have been as ******ed - he'd have maintained distance and whipped in body shots and uppercuts to open Floyd up.

 

It obviously improves his legacy by default since it's another victory and it's one over a prime top 5 opponent in his weight class who's also a title holder.