Your top 10 greatest Heavyweight of all time?

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And your point is?? Foreman at his lightest still hit plenty hard enough to hurt or knockout heavyweights in this era don't you agree??
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    So Foreman was the only fighter in history who was better at the age of 50 than he was at the age of 25?
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was going to ask you exactly the same thing tbh? I think we can both agree that George Foreman is much higher than Chris Arreola in the ATG rankings?
     
  4. janitor

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    You are very fond of taking about common sense, and common sense should tell you that there is no way that a fighter will have better punch resistance at the age of 50 than at the age of 25.

    Fighters punch resistance gets worse with age not better.

    The obvious conclusion would be that the lumbering heavyweights of the 90s are not the dreadnoughts that you make them out to be.
     
  5. janitor

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    So the only real example is somebody who turned profesional at the age of 24, and was a defensive specialist.

    Neither is the case with Foreman.
     
  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You really believe that Arreola would beat any version of Foreaman?
     
  7. janitor

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  8. mcvey

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    Because in the ten years he was retired, eating doughnuts, and scoffing burgers, he went from being an "oaf ",to developing into a "clever boxer".


    Amazing metamorphosis, Kafka would have been proud of him!

    Anyone with an iota of common sense knows that punch resistance is directly linked to mileage on the clock/age .
     
  9. McGrain

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    I've seen Haye train; i've also seen him fight. One of the worst title tilts i've ever seen at any weight is Haye versus Klitschko. That was ludicrous. So even if he is the greatest athlete ever to grace the sport, he doesn't have the raw ingredients of a boxer. Athleticism is basically what he's got. And that, as has been inarguably demonstrated, is not enough.

    It also abandoned him at least once in his career when he gassed desperately.

    Is that why you are completely incapable of producing any boxing source evidence to support it? Is that why I am asking you now, for the fifth time, to produce any evidence from a universally recognised source to support any one thing you've said?

    Because they don't discuss it because it is so obvious :lol:

    I would pick ancient Sonny Liston to beat him. You would disagree. You would then go round and round and round in circles repeating yourself over and over again without being able to show me anything anyone sensible has ever said to support your position. You legitimately expect me to toss out Roach in favour of your opinion because - I can't remember why?
     
  10. fists of fury

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    He won't, because he can't. Whenever called on to support anything he has said with fact, he ducks it and changes topic. Every. Single. Time.

    One day you guys will learn what a waste of time it is to argue with him.
     
  11. dinovelvet

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    Define a great HW? Anybody can be great these days.

    Mayweather is the man of this era. His dominance, skills, fights and opponents blow Wlads out of the water. Nobody goes around calling him one of the greatest fighters to ever step in the ring.
    After him there is Pacman and Marquez. Again , nobody is calling them the 'greatest of all time'.

    Wlad doesn't hold a candle next to these guys.
    Never awarded fighter of the year. Never had a fight of the year.
    How many other great fighters did he beat? How many hall of famers did he beat?
    Why are his fights always slammed? Where are these 'excellent' Wlad fights?
    Where are these 'excellent' skills. Why the need to constantly cherry pick bottom feeders and foul , mug , bear hug them to victory.
    What great fighter has to lean and dig his elbows into guys to tire them instead of throwing to the body?
    Within the rules he was repeatadly getting bested so had to leave America and bend the rules in Germany to avoid a fight in the ring. He can't operate unless he's allowed fight his fight. A great fighter is more than just dominance. Its about ability and Wlad is half a fighter with none of the mentality associated with greatness.


    Valeuv would of went unbeaten his whole career if he jumped and leaned on guys to the point of exhaustion. Would he be an ATG if he did that?

    Wlad will be rememberd for a long string of wins on his boxrec page. He wont be remembered as a legend of the ring or who fought with passion and gave the sport fights to be remembered.
    That makes a fighter great. Not blind stats on paper.
     
  12. McGrain

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    I like arguing with him. Battering trolls is fun sometimes.
     
  13. McGrain

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    It's fascinating watching you talk with Elroy; it's like two sides of the same coin.
     
  14. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    If you rank a fighter based only on dominance , you rank on the strength of the era and by your own admission they era is dump.

    You flushed your integrity away to become a journalistic 'yes man'.
     
  15. McGrain

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    I have absolutely no idea what you are saying.