Your top 10 greatest Heavyweight of all time?

1 Ali - dominated in a era of suberbly fit and dangerous fighters 2 Louis - distance and timing - a lost art. 3 to 10, a toss up , Johnston ,Dempsey , marciano , Liston , Frazier , Foreman , Holmes , Tyson , Holyfield , Vlad all have claims but in a best of 3 fight series with Ali and Louis would probably come up short.

 

1. Yu-no Hoo
2. Who Dunnit
3. Shee-dun Me Wong
4. Dun-tuk Aypownding
5. Ho-Lee Fuk
6. Samson Too-Much-Love Dutch Boy James
7. Wilson Phillips
8. Ali
9. Young Foreman
10. Old Foreman

 

Not that Dutch Boy! atsch Dammit, Obvious.

 

But we don`t care what you think... Don`t you get it ?/ Your like the petulant schoolboy who stomps his feet to get attention. That`s not what this is about. Can`t you see that and go away,please ??

 

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You are right about accomplishments.

Four is absolutely too high if, I were ranking it solely on stats. He might not be top 15 if it were just stats. However, in spite of the FACT that some guys have better credentials on paper, I am not sure that would matter if they had to actually face the best Liston in a match.

If I were to make a change I might put Johnson over Liston. I think he could beat Sonny. Maybe Dempsey, but then I would have to put Frazier over Liston too because I think that Frazier can KO Dempsey. I do not think that Frazier can beat Liston however. Tough calls. I know that stlyes make fights but I content to place Liston over all those guys best night for best night excluding Johnson. I might change them. Thanks for the feedback.

One last thought. If it was stats alone, I would put Johnson under Louis. His career as the Colored champion and then the World champion covers as many title defense and years as Louis, with arguable better opponents.

Thoughts? Thanks.

 

What do you do when you have a style clash situation where A beats B, B beats C, and C beats A?

 

Out of curiosity, upon what justification is based the ranking of Dempsey higher than Lennox Lewis?

 

That is tough but rare.

Ali (A) beats Foreman (B), Foreman beat Frazier (C) but Frazier has beaten Ali (A).

I usually give (A) the benefit of the doubt on his best night that (C) could not beat him if (C) cannot beat (B). (A) is superior to (B) and therefor superior to (C).

That is how it has worked out usually if (A) and (C) fight a series. Do you of any examples that that contradict my explanation? I would be interested in thinking about it.

 

I think that the speed, movment, and hitting power of Dempsey present Lewis with only one option to win. Survive and hope to land a series of big punches. Lennox at his prime would out weight Dempsey by about 30-odd pounds and have a four inch height advantage.

It would be an advantage to Lewis but honestly, stylewise (I know Lewis is greater) taller, bigger, slower fighters were Jacks wheelhouse (Firpo and Willard.) I think Lewis is not tough, moble, or agile enough to withstand the kind of assault that Dempsey at his best would bring. At the same time Dempsey has proven that he can stand in their with the big boys and take it get up and give it back.

Lennox will need to beat able to fight at a comfortable pace the favors his height, reach, and size. Jack will be bobbing and weaving and hooking fast to anything he can hit regardless the risk. Lennox, would have his hands full trying to get his bearings together, avoid this crazy man, and trying to logically start his own offensive game plan.

 

Lewis in his best performances was around 230-240. In Dempsey's best effort versus Willard, he admitted he was 180. So, we are talking about 50-60 pounds. In his best performance against the hardest punchers, of which he fought many, Lewis was usually at 240 or more. Lewis had an 84" reach compared to Dempsey's 77". Measureables aren't everything certainly, but let's get our baseline correct.

Comparing Firpo and the version of Willard that Dempsey fought to Lewis is ludicrous. Firpo was a pure hype job, brewed overnight by Rickard and Company. Lewis was a groomed amateur stand-out, a Gold medal champ, who had a steady apprenticeship leading to the Ruddock fight. He then proved himself at the championship level for the next decade.

Meanwhile, Willard, not much more than a rank amateur with physical gifts, had been basically innactive for 4 years and 37 years old when he faced Dempsey.

Lewis's skillset was leagues above either of these guys, also. He threw all the punches in the book and had speed, great power and great strength.

Dempsey came out like a freight train but would shoot his wad either in an attempt for an early KO or being forced to go life and death and his form became increasingly sloppy and stamina waned. I see a head to head match unfolding much like the Lewis Morrison affair with Dempsey being punched to a standstill within a few rounds....

OK, that is head to head. But as far as greatness based on record, in this regard Dempsey has no argument. He had a quick, barnstorming rise to the title after getting KO'd in 1 by Flynn and then sat basically sat on his ass for 7 years as Rickard and Company lined up cream puff after cream puff to maximize earnings while minimizing risks. Over 7 years, he went 5-1 in title defenses, choosing 4 Harry Greb victims to face rather than Harry himself, and avoiding the consensus number one contender in Wills. Carpentier, Firpo and the sick Miske were absolute no-hopers.

 

1. Ali


--Daylight--


2. Jack Johnson
3. Louis
4. Holmes
5. Marciano
6. Foreman
7. Liston
8. Jeffries
9. V.Klitschko
10. Dempsey

I guess its really a list of my favourites from each era! , so tough to pick only ten so I went with dominant champs of each era as all you can do is be the best in your time. Size isn't a factor for me as doubt 20 years from now two 7 foot 300 pound guys will fight for the title and say they're history's best !!

 

Cant believe I forgot Lennox, squeeze him in anywhere from 5-10!!

 

The rocket man has spoken !!