***Your top 15 ATG Heavyweights***

I agree.

Speaking of Holyfield v Old Foreman, I watched it earlier today. Foreman took some hellish combinations. His defence was terrible but it was a great display of punch resistance from him.

 

1 Joe Louis
2 Nicolai Valuev
3 Muhammad Ali
4 Rocky Marciano
5 George Foreman
6 John Ruiz
7 Joe Frazier
8 David Haye
9 Mike Tyson
10 Evander Holyfield
11 Lennox Lewis
12 Audley Harrison
13 Sonny Liston
14 Gene Tunney
15 Max Baer

 

Awful list. Ruiz and Haye are joke inclusions, Baer shouldn't be in there either, Lewis is too low, so is Liston. And where are Jeffries and Johnson? Harrison and Valuev should both be higher.

 

Okay, on the classic sticky thread, where we all had to give in our top ten in each of the classic eight divisions, my list was this-

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Rocky Marciano
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Mike Tyson
7. Larry Holmes
8. George Foreman
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sonny Liston

this is actually a long standing list that i've had for years

My five to round off would likely be the likes of Holyfield, Jeffries, the next three could be any from Frazier, Patterson, Wills, Schmeling, Sharkey. Wlad might enter but i really don't rate him too highly h2h or resume-wise personally. I always rated Vitali a bit better h2h but the resume doesn't really stack up either imo, but i iunderstand you could do that with a lot of fighters. Anyway, my more important point that i'd like to make is that i've been questioning my list a lot and i really need to totally reconstruct it.

Ali is my number one always, when people don't have him at number one i always think it's an agenda thing, i even went through a phase of that myself when i first got into boxing heavily. The fact is, his resume is outstanding, and not just 'for a heavyweight', which i dson't understand the shitty meaning of. So, Louis is my number 2 still. Now it gets messy, i'm a life long Tyson fan, i love the ground he walks on, but he can't be above Lewis, the whole thing about him being not prime by the time he got destroyed by Douglas is embarrassing. Dempsey isprobably not top ten either, and Holyfield probably is. Foreman cannot be under Frazier, no way. Harry Wills should be included in all lists, and i think Jack Johnson should be very high. I just don't know anymore, i need to make a new list, but i hate lists. Just thought i'd contribute to your thread anyway though.

 

you have tyson and dempsey WAY too low

 

marciano is way to high at 3, he should be in the lower half of the top 10. Size and skill wise he dosen't measure up to the elite and would have been beaten by 90-95 of the 15 ATG.

 

not bad, if you add criteria that you used I could say more about your list

 

:good if i sort my list out i'll put it in here, i'll have a think

 

Muhammed Ali
Rocky Marciano
Joe Luis
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Larry Holmes
Joe Frazier
Riddick Bowe
Evander Holyfield
Jack Johnson
Vitali Klitschko
Sonny Liston
Jack Dempsey
Wladimir Klitschko

 

hes about right with tyson at 15 putting him at 3 or 5 as two of you have said is frankly obsurd

 

hey all people they say tyson is right at 15 in a ATG List i can only laugh The Prime Tyson under the Trainer Angelo D´Amato was unbeatable when Angelo dies so a part of tyson died with


Muhammed Ali
Rocky Marciano
Joe Luis
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Larry Holmes
Joe Frazier
Riddick Bowe
Evander Holyfield
Jack Johnson
Vitali Klitschko
Sonny Liston
Jack Dempsey
Wladimir Klitschko