Just interested in seeing some lists... Taking the best version of that fighter. Mine would look something like 1. Hopkins 2. Golovkin 3. Pirog 4. Pavlik 5. Jacobs 6. Winky 7. Canelo 8. BJS 9. Martinez 10. Taylor Actually I'll end it at 10 lol. Im sure this list will get shredded... keep in mind due to styles Im sure some guys lower would beat someone higher... Im talking in general. And at their peaks. I'm open to hearing yours.
Pirog wayyyy too much respect (the usual these days). Sergio shown a lack of respect (Saunders, Pirog... really?!). Pavlik at 4 but Sergio at 9. Hmm... Like you say, though, impossible to list them top to bottom knowing certain guys below others lose a certain matchup. So I would assume it would be something like "if they all fought the top 50 fighters one after the next, who finishes with the better record, 45-5, 47-3, etc." Which would take quite some time to map out and be near equally meaningless.
Not sure how to respond. This is head to head... not legacy. If the Pirog that fought Jacobs were to fight the Martinez that fought Pavlik and Williams, Id pick Pirog without hesitatuon. Ditto for everyone below him. Weve had this discussion before (Pirogs rating) and we just disagree on him. I can definitely see a case of putting Martinez over BJS and actually maybe I will on second thought. But really... its one spot difference. As for you feeling you cant do a head to head list in general without methodically tracking how you think every single fight between each fighter would go, so be it.
Just my thoughts, Pirog was an excellent fighter but he is probably overrated these days simply because everyone only looks at his win over a young Jacobs. He did not look so good in most of his other fights. I'd definitely have him in but not that high. I'd have Martinez higher for sure. Jermain Taylor should be in. Guess you probably forgot about him? Not a fan of Sturm but I think he's got a good shout of being in. I'd have Cotto out, he was always too small for the division. I know he managed to pounce on injured Martinez and get the lineal title but the truth is people like Andrade, Derevyanchenko, etc. are bigger and stronger and would likely beat him H2H.
Perhaps I overrate Pirog... entirely possible. I just cant pick anyone below him on this list over him. But thats just me. Ya I had Taylor listed took him out when shuffling names around n forgot to add him back in. Id put him in at 10 and take out Cotto. Thanks for pointing that out.
AA would be near 11th for me... though I could see why someone would have him ranked higher. Fair enough on Cotto. I wouldnt argue him not being top 30. But he did run a prime Canelo very close and demolish Geale (drained... but still) equal to Golovkin.
Revised list 1. Hopkins 2. Golovkin 3. Pirog 4. Pavlik 5. Jacobs 6. Winky 7. Canelo 8. BJS 9. Martinez 10. AA 11. Taylor 12. Trinidad Will continue to revise as more points are brought up.
1. Hopkins 2. Golovkin 3. Martinez 4. Pavlik 5. Saunders 6. Jacobs 7. Abraham 8. Alvarez 9. Pirog 10. Taylor 11. Wright 12. Sturm
If Jacobs could go the distance with GG then B-hop could, he was one of te greatest defensive fighters ever in the middleweight division.
