Your top 20 middleweights of all-time?

Relly whats wrong with it?? There all great fighters. Monzon is so low because he never fought a Ray Robinson or a Jake LaMotta, hench the reason why the likes of Carman or Cerdan are over Monzon.

 

1. Hagler
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Roy Jones Jr
5. Sugar Ray Robinson
6. Cerdan
7. Walker
8. Langford
9. Tiger Flowers
10.Carlos Monzon
11. Dick Tiger
12. Kalambay
13. Antuofuermo
14. Corro
15. Johnny Wilson
16. Gene Fullmer
17. Rodrigo Valdez
18. Micheal Nunn
19. Hopkins
20. Lamotta

 

That can be arranged.

 

I'll give 15, in a general order...

Greb
Robinson
Fitz
Hagler
*Langford
Walker
Cerdan
Monzon
Cerdan
Burley
Jones
Hopkins
Chalres
Ryan
Lamotta

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I'm not even going to attempt to reason with you about it, your list is one of the worst I've ever seen, bottom line. You left 2 top 5's off your top 20 list and placed another top 5 at #20. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

Jake Lamotta at 18? :shock: Cerdan over Lamotta? :shock:

Like the Jeff Clark choice, Hagler at 8? :huh

 

1. Hagler
2. Greb
3. Monzon
4. Robinson
5. Jones Jr
6. Fitz
7. Langford
8. Hopkins
9. Walker
10. Ketchel
11. Cerdan
12. Ryan
13. Tiger
14. Charles
15. Basilio
16. Flowers
17. Burley
18. Fullmer
19. La Motta
20. Nunn

 

You should have a lot of fun finding out.

I am quite envious in fact.

Start by reading Kev Smiths book the sundowners or articles about him by the same author.

 

Hagler isn't even top 20?

(I'm probably just saying what everyone's already thinking)

 

Yep, Hagler failed to make my top 20.

 

Hopkins also missed the cut. It's the worst list I've ever seen on this site, and that includes Redrooster's top 25 of all time.

 

There is nothing wrong with my top 25 except that I forgot to include Henry Armstrong.

 

As I said, it looked like you just drew out off about 150 random greats and placed the 25 you drew in random order. Also, you didn't forget Armstrong, I corrected you when you originally believed he didn't deserve a placing.

 

Maybe it's because you dont recognize so many of the names listed. I myself am guilty of this too. I did not recognize Jeff Clark by his stage name Kid Norfolk.

Who could ever forget Kid Norfolk?!?

Still, I thouhgt his list was somewhat harsh on some of the more omdern fighters. Hagler's rightful place is at #1-he was a middleweight's middleweight. Even SuzieQ gave him a respectable #2 spot.