Your Top 3 ATG by Weight Class.

Velasquez has demolished every fighter put in front of him , and done it without breaking a sweat

The level of oppostion that Velasquez has faced and the way he has dealt with it IMO puts him firmly at number 3 AT

And i just love the way people say this version of Cro Cop is'nt the real Cro Cop and this version of Big Nog is not the real Noguerra , its DELUSION !!!!! created by the ILLUSION of Pride , thats what it boils down too

Pride was great at creating superstars and putting them on pedestals , but it didnt provide the relentless competition and level of opposition the UFC provides , if you are a top echelon fighter in the UFC you will fight top echeclon fighters until it is proven that a) you are the best or b) you dont belong in that promotion anymore

You dont fight 2 or 3 pro wrestlers or guys 30 lbs lighter than you and get freebies in the UFC , the UFC does not manufacture good fighters , it does not allow its stars to enhance there performance with steroids , it puts the best guys in the world face to face with the best guys in the world !!!!!

Could you imagine what Velasquez would have done to Cro Cop and Barnett and Coleman and Couture , and these so called all time great fighters if he was around in 2003 - 2007 it doesnt even bear thinking about !!!!

What Velasquez has done in this sport puts him ahead of any of the Pride HW's barring Fedor and Big Nog :deal

 

Go back the the British forum , thats the only place your posts hold any relevance , watch a few more dvd's of Fedor , roll around a mat a little bit , do a bit of wrestling and muay thai then come back !!!!

:good

 

HAHA says it all then.
I am genuinely interested Flea Man, Ive never really seen him post anything other than insults and smiley face tbh
If he genuinely thinks Cain is the No 3 ATG then good for him. But Id like to see him justify it :deal

 

Well lets dance , i tend to post my MMA thoughts on junkie , that is where you find MMA fans who know the sport , not boxing fans who pretend they know what there talking about because they listen to Joe Rogan and Bas Rutten !!!!

You wanna go lets go ill tear you to shreds i promise :smooch

EDIT ; im still waiting for your return on why Josh Barnett and the likes of Tim Syliva hold a higher AT status than Velasquez ??!!

 

He's a good poster. But his above tirade on pride is way off the mark.

Win, do you really think Nog is still in his prime ten years after his defining fights???

 

I didnt say that !!!!!

The point im making is that the very best Noguerra back in the day , falls short of whats required to be an elite level fighter right now today

This sport is evolving faster than any sport thats gone before it , and yester years fighters are now just distant memory's in terms of skill sets , and you ask why ?? because there are so many individual disciplines and so many ways of emalgamating these disciplines into becoming a well rounded mma fighter that todays fighters are improving these dicsiplines and making these adjustments to levels we have never seen before , and they continue to do so !!!!

Cro Cop in 05 was a kick boxer who could grapple a little , and was considered a top HW , pit him in with todays Velasquez of 11 and you have a mis match of epic epic proportions .

My rants about Pride always get bad press but i couldnt give a **** , the things that went on in Pride can not be classed as professional , some great fights and some great fighters came from Pride , but the sport is moving away from the nonesence days of Pride and defining a more proffesional clean cut organised , well structured sport !!! ......

 

Thank you for the reply your majesty, I shall reply to it point by point.
So his level of oppostion then, his 4 biggest wins are Lesnar Kongo, Rothwell and Nog. I seem to remember him having a little bit of trouble with Kongo, unless you consider Cain gettin rocked ad taken down dealing with him with ease. The way Frank Mir dealt with Kongo was what Id consider ith ease. But it was Cains 6th fight and Im not goin to critique him at all and he got the win
Rothwell then. Seasoned journey man I think is the best way to describe him. Holds victories over nobody of note in the ATG scheme of things. But a decent win. Be a shame if Cain finishes his career and looks back at this as one of his highlights.
Lesnar, well enough has been said about Lesnar's punch resistance and ability to defend strikes on these boards. Cain was able to sweep well and get back to his feet and apply the pressure to make Brock crumble. Best win to date, but is this enough to justify him a number 3 ATG spot? Not in my eyes.
And a shot to **** Nog. Nowhere near the fighter he once was. Never has been the best at defending strikes, but looked like a zombie in the headlights as soon as Cain landed the 1st decent punch.
Now it's slightly amusing you bashing Pride using the words delusional. Im not sure if this is trolling or genuine delusion. And you've justified Cain's rankings by dismissing Pride rather than extol the fighting virtues of Valasquez. Yes Cain has looked impressive, but the same kinda delusion you are bashing is exactly what you a demonstrating when you rank Cain over proven fighters. Cain could indeed become an ATG, or he could be a flash in the pan,similar things were said about Arlovski at one point in time. Point is after 8 fights we just dont know. You ranking him at 3 without any real justification other than some bull**** and tired ''UFC is better than Pride'' argument is a little premature. Which isnt the only thing you have been accused of being premature with Im sure :deal

 

Was this an attempt to prove to me that you have actually seen all of Velasquez's fights ???

This stands as nothing more than a breakdown of how Velasquez has looked in his last 4 fights , which as you say are his notable wins , what i tried to get accross was a) the manner which Velasquez has obliterated his opposition has never been seen in MMA before and b) just who from Pride is it that should sit above Velasquez ???? because before Velasquez its only really Couture , Sylvia , Arlovski or Mir who have any right to be ranked AT from the UFC in this sport ............ ?? :huh

Or are you so ignorant and dumb that you wont accept that todays fighters are facing better opposition more consistantly than we have ever seen before in this sport , thus enhancing there AT status at a much faster rate , i.e. you fight 4 top level fighters in 1 year and mince every one of them very convincingly , or you fight 4 top level fighters over 2 and a half years and have all time great wars with them but in the meantime have a hand ful of mis matches to enhance your legacy !! , it doesnt compare

Kongo give him trouble ??? .... he rocked him with a straight right hand and thats about it , Velasquez holds the record in a UFC HW fight for that particular fight for landing the most strikes recorded in any fight before it

Its plain ignorance and poor understanding of the sport to rank Velasquez as another false phenom , he is a type of athlete we have not seen before and holds the bar of a true modern elite level HW in todays terms :deal

 

What if Dos Santos sparks him? He's not exactly that well-rounded? We've seen little
of Cains ground game thus far as well....some good wins but not necessarit ATG material IMO.

Fighters with one gear can prosper. For example, how is Damoen Maeia that advanced? He's essentially pure BJJ, and beat Sonnen so much easier than say, Silva did. I think fighters are more well-rounded (in some cases) but that first necessarily
make them superior to their forebearers.

I mean, door swings both ways. You could say Cain is a 'jack of all trades master of
none' (although he appears to be a very talented wrestler) and whilst I don't agree, I don't necessarily think he would beat everyone that has come before him because of their supposed technical inferiority.

 

I have actually seen all of Cains fights, all 9 of them.
a) You've done nothing to prove that Cain has obliterated his opponents other than use the word obliterated to describe his wins. As for 'never seen in MMA before'' I pointed out earlier that Mir dealt with Kongo more destructively, unless you are delusional (I think that's been established already but hey :deal) and Judge a decision win over a total blow out as obliterated.
You know what, I dont see the point of answering the rest of your post as all you post is insults, self aggrandisements of intellectual superiority and smiley faces. At the end of the day he's had 9 fights against not the strongest opposition and hasnt even defended his belt against the number one contender. And maybe this new generation of UFC fighters are better than the Pride guys, but Cain hasnt fought, let alone beat ANY of them yet so time will tell. Until then I'll continue to rank fighters who achieved something over a prolonged period of time over Cain
Im sure you'll claim this as some kind of victory well

 

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He KO'd Noguerra in 2 minutes , you idiot !!!!

Who has tested Velasquez ???? :huh

Edit ; who ranks above him AT in your opinion (apart from the Fedor and Big Nog) , i feel like a parrot , answer the question and give reasons , dont hide behind his lack of acheivements , tell me who has a) eclipsed his achievements and b) beat the level of opposition in the decisive style he has ???

 

:tired

 

You havent seen Velasquez on his back because nobody can put him there !!! and keep him there as his wrestling is so far advanced its man against boy material

By ground game im assuming you mean off his back right ?? because we have seen plenty of his top game , which is the very best in MMA bar none , and im assuming under the very very talented Dave Camarillo he's got a JJ game ..............

If Dos Santos sparks him then he sparks him , Dos Santos has the potential stand up skills to take Cain out , there is absolutley no disputing that , as for Cain not being well rounded , are you ****in kidding me , the guy puts his combo's together better than most LW's let alone HW's , his transitions from stand up , to kick boxing to take downs is something we have never seen before in a HW .

Flea , this isnt boxing mate , the sport is still a baby , you make out like its like boxing and ATG's are etched the history books , most of the " so called " ATG's are still active , thats how young this sport is .

The impact Velasquez has had on the sport is revolutionary , the way he is dealing with top level fighters one after the next is revolutionary , that for me is what sets him aside from the following ; Couture , Barnett , Arlovski , Cro Cop , Sylvia , Mir , Werdum and any other HW who have been operating at the top level long enough and effectively enough to be ranked AT

 

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