Your top all-time greatest boxing cherrypickers

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who do you feel are the fighters who have gone most out of their way to avoid real, sustained competition and who give the paying fans the least bang for our buck?

    All fighters eventually have their "can" opponents, but who do you think went the most out of their way to fight outmatched, over-the-hill, no-hoper opponents throughout their careers?

    Here are 3 all-time great "cherrypicking" guys that immediately come to mind for me:

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    : Jermain Taylor -- Old men and blown up Jr. Middles helped to fuel the HBO hype machine until people became so frustrated with Taylor's choice of opponents that he was essentially forced to take on a legitimate, youthful middleweight. His name was Kelly Pavlik, and you know the rest. Taylor, however, is not in the same league as my next two choices when it comes to handpicking foes.

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    : Roy Jones, Jr -- No garbageman, cop or postman was safe from Roy's matchmaking. And HBO allowed Jones to get away with such folly. Did face Hopkins and Toney, but ducked names such as Benn, Eubank, Liles, Collins, Mclellan, Calzaghe and, perhaps most famously, Darius 'Tiger' Michalczewski.


    And one of boxing's all-time greatest cherrypickers...


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    : Floyd Mayweather -- At 135-, PBF was completely legit. At 140+, his was some of the most pathetic cherrypicking you will ever see. Every fight after his matchup with Corley (his first at 140) involved some level of farce, and PBF recently retired from the game prematurely rather than deal with chief nemesis Antonio Margarito or the talented Paul Williams.

    Floyd used the tactic of biting off of established draws (Gatti, Hatton and ODLH) to hide his own lack of appeal to fight fans. Gatti was a no-hoper, DLH a washed-up promoter and Hatton was forced to fight at 147 after sucking hard at that same weight against Luis Collazo. Judah had just lost and the Baldomir fight against an aged and immobile fossil was so bad that Tiger Woods and Charles Barkley left before it was over and PBF cried at the post-fight press conference because he knew there was no escape from the dismal charade he had signed and participated in.

    And don't forget a totally shot Sharmba Mitchell (who had been recently destroyed by the Floyd-ducked Kostya Tszyu) or outgunned Henry Bruseles.

    A sad resume ending for a magnificent lightweight/jr. lightweight. Unlike fighters such as Joe Calzaghe who were fighting and beating rising threats such as Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler near the end of their careers, Floyd consistently and unfortunately chose the path of least resistance when he went up to 140+. This cowardice culminated in his early retirement from boxing at the age of just 31.

    At a time when most boxers are at the peak of their powers, PBF stepped away from the sport rather than take on Margarito and Williams (and, some would add, Miguel Cotto). It was a disappointing decision for fight fans around the globe, and one which helped solidify Floyd's status as one of the ring's best-ever cherrypickers. When faced with an opportunity to step up to the competition, Floyd demurred.

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    Those are some of the guys I think of as big-time cherrypickers. Who makes your list?
     
  2. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Definetely Mayweather is the king.
    I'd nominate Zsolt Erdei,Edwin Valero
     
  3. Ilesey

    Ilesey ~ Full Member

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    How about Brian Neilson?
     
  4. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not as familiar with Erdei's and Neilson's whole careers, so I'll have to take your guys' word on those two.

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  5. olyalex

    olyalex Manos de piedra Full Member

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    1.Mayweather (i don't like his style)
    2.Wlad
    3.Winky( most boring fighter ever)
     
  6. M.Alexander

    M.Alexander Tough Mofo Full Member

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    Brian Nielsen is a good one. Wlad? Nonsense.
     
  7. elgrancampeon

    elgrancampeon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You might think Winky is boring but there is no way in hell he ducked ANYONE!!


    Shane, Trinidad, Vargas, Taylor, Hopkins..
     
  8. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Even with this current HW division,Wlad's resume is at least ok and in no way was Winky a cherrypicker.
     
  9. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  10. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Hopkins x2, Wright and Pavlik are cherry picking, huh?

    You ignore four extremely dangerous fights, especially for a rising star yet focus on two fights against Ouma and Spinks, one was a mandatory and one was a tune-up.

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    Do you people actually do some research or just type from your asses?

    Check out this video please.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjvBqSDJJoA

    Move to 5:05. Why the HELL would anyone think RJJ would want to duck guys like Benn and Collins, those guys would have been dropped like the garbage men you call dropped. Check out that video, I'd like to see your response after it.

    Arch rival Antontio Margarito? :rofl

    Based on WHAT?, a few trash talk and BULL****(as exposed today) hype?, any accomplishment in the ring back then apart from four losses and a win over Kermit Cintron?, and that Cintron win I mention out of pitty because that's the best win on that resume. So tell me, based on what?, being a paper champion who ignored 5 different unified undisputed champions in his division?, not avenging and never planning(as proven today) to avenge any loss?

    Also, a cherry picker won't win fighter of the year 2007 if he was a cherry picker, Cotto sure as hell didn't win it that year, nor did Pacquiao and Mayweather was competing with both of guys that year. I wouldn't be surprised if you act like those Mexican fans and claim Margarito deserved that award in 2007 for losing to Paul Williams and beating Golden Johnson. :lol:

    Paul Williams is a good opponent to mention, then again Mayweather is an already accomplished fighter, he doesn't need to prove jack**** for no one. Margarito might want to fight arch nemesis Paul Williams and I call him arch nemesis based on an ACTUAL FIGHT, not bull**** from the media which the likes of you easily fall for.

    Check out this very recent link regarding arch nemesis Margarito.

    http://www.***********.com/?m=show&id=16968

    You know what to add in the link title, scene of boxing. :good
     
  11. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    Sweet Pea Pacquiao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    #1: Joe Calzaghe...fighting two senior citizens and passing them off as legends in their prime, one of them being the ONLY P4P Top 10 fighter he has EVER faced in his 46-fight career. Defending his belt against guys like Mger Mrkirtchian (sp?) and Evans Ashira...after a decade of defenses.

    Forget cherry picking, Calzaghe owns the whole farm when it comes to that garbage.
     
  13. Sedona

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    Ricky Hatton on his knees in the 10th round (Getty Images)
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  14. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Who' passing them off as in their prime? Course they werent but the Hop that Calzaghe beat was a better fighter than the one Jones beat, and has proved he is still top 5 p4p today.

    Who else was in the p4p list in Calzaghe's career that he could have faced?

    Every fighter has their Ashiras of this world, including all the top 10 ATG's.
     
  15. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Something is missing here in the caption:

    Ricky Hatton, 147 pound class, on his knees...

    That's the point -- Floyd made him come up in weight for a reason, just as an all-time cherrypicker should.

    Floyd earned his spot on my list, make no mistake.

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    Scar -- You read the "old men" part of my Taylor statement, right?

    Hopkins - 40
    Wright - 34, and a blown up Jr. Middle. Around same age an 'old' Roy Jones was getting KTFO

    The video you cite is a joke. It's a Roy marketing session by HBO designed to make the house fighter come off well. You don't think the house will give the house fighter some public relations cover when the masses are pissed that RJJ is fighting postmen?

    Ha ha ha. If you really don't grasp how this works, I have a bridge to sell you.

    Here's a negotiating/PR tip for you: If you don't want to get a fight done but you want to pretend you tried to get it done, you call up a guy and make a lowball offer. Happens all the time. That way, you can say you tried to make the fight but the other guy backed off. Classic cover your butt tactics.

    Roy didn't want those fights made, with the guys I listed, and they didn't get made. But, hey -- bring on David Telesco! The public DEMANDS it! :rofl Any garbagemen looking to make some money off their morning shift? Roy's ducking of Michalczewski was one of the biggest farces for boxing in the 1990's.

    Roy-Floyd -- Cherrypickers delight. :lol::lol::lol: