Your top six pound for pound all time and why

Robinson

Greb
Langford
Armstrong
Pep
Ali

Very rough 6 in a very rough order.

 

Robinson- It has become cliche, but for good reason. I'll sum it up quick. He had tons of athletic ability, an iron chin, a will to fight, great endurance, and he knew what he was doing.

Henry Armstrong- I give him the edge over Greb, because I think he beat fighters with better technique than did Greb. It is a close call.

Harry Greb- His record reads like a who's who of the time. I really wish I could see him on film.

Sugar Ray Leonard- He won against every style. Has wins over Hearns, Duran, Benitez, and Hagler. The only thing he could have done to further his legacy was to have faced Pryor.

Sam Langford- I was surprised at how modern he looks compared to other fighters from his time. Thanks to whomever for posting a link to that footage recently.

Roberto Duran- Beats Pernell Whitaker on my list narrowly. The factsthat he defeated Barkley at Middle, and the fact that he could defeat Castro at 168(I read he only trained a bit on the heavy bag for this fight) get him in comfortably. Whitaker struggled slightly enough at 154 to let me know that was his limit. Duran went a weight class above.

 

Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Willie Pep
Harry Greb (on resume)

Those are my picks P4P...

 

Does Pep miss out by much out of interest? Most have him in but there's many ways to look at things.

 

Robinson
Armstrong
Greb
Pep
Duran
Ali

 

The only reason for Pep's absence is not fighting at higher weight classes. I think Pep is one of the greatest ever no doubt. I may even pick him head to head vs oposition I rank higher than him pfp. The people I mentioned in my list proved themselves against larger fighters, proving that they can compete against people of larger stature despite their physical size disadvantages.

 

Ah ok i follow.

 

i really dont see duran and pep as top 5 greats, i dont know why alot do. Both guys beat 1 or 2 atg at most.

 

I don't participate in this "pound for pound" stuff much, because there are fighters like Carlos Monzon, for instance, who were all time greats, and dominated thoroughly their division, and wern't physically suited to go up in weight, also like Marvin Hagler, so why should guys like this be penalized for staying one weight class and dealing with the challenges of only one division. I say this because one of the criteria of p4p is about a fighters climb up the ladder of weight divisions and how he fares in each case. It's also rather limiting to the heavyweights, who for obvious reasons, are confined by physical reasons to remain in that particular weight class.

 

Carlos monzon and marvin hagler are up there with duran and pep when it comes to resume. They both made the mistake of not fighting light heavyweights, it would have increased thier overall ratings. Then again, its not like pep ever beat a great lightweight.

 

Robinson

Henry Armstrong

Joe Louis

Ray Leonard

Muhammad Ali

George Dixon

 

Not against Foster and Spinks it wouldn't have. You'd never find two worse nightmares to move up against. There's a reason they didn't.

 

1. Willie Pep
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Roberto Duran
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Harry Greb
8. Joe Louis
9. Archie Moore
10. Muhammad Ali
11. Sugar Ray Leonard
12. Sandy Saddler

 

1 Barney Ross, First 3 weight divsion title holder at the same time.
2 Henry Armstrong, did what Ross did a few years later.
3 Bob Fitz, FIRST 3 divsion champ.
4 Tony Canzi, winning titles and defended titles at a few weights.
5 Joe Walcott, little man beating the heavyweights of the early 1900's.
and 6, Harry Greb/Micky Walker, weatherweights and middleweights going on faceing the heavyweights and even being rated in the contenders rates.