Your Top Ten Chins Of All Time

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Throughout all weightclasses, what ten chins do you feel are the absolute toughest?

    Feel free to explain what fights/events contribute to your view.
     
  2. Quickhands21

    Quickhands21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tex cobb..lamotta..mccall..holyfield..toney..ali..bad ass bennie briscoe..harry grebb..robinson..hagler..jus some that come to mind..o yea and earnie shavers
     
  3. Quickhands21

    Quickhands21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Charley burley..Gavillan
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Shaver's? :lol:

    I wouldn't include Robinson or Toney on a chin list, personally. More of a skill issue there.
     
  5. DFW

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    Basilio, Chuvalo, Fullmer, Tiger, Marciano, Holly Mims all had granite whiskers. How about Ray Mercer? And way back the Basque boxer Paulino Uzcudun.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Ill play two Light Heavies Jack Dillon and Joey Maxim , throw in Harry Greb
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Any stories come to mind about Dillon?
     
  8. Calroid

    Calroid Active Member Full Member

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    How about Joe Grim?
     
  9. Lobotomy

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    All I can offer here are some brainstorming ideas some of you others can play off of. (On more careful reflection, I'd omit several of these names entirely, but am recovering from a severe case of the flu, so I haven't the mental energy to deliberate properly.)

    Hagler comes to mind right off the top. I don't recall his knees ever buckling, and the most serious physical distress I ever saw him in was after that clash of heads in the rematch with Antuofermo, when Hagler reeled around the ring in pain before Vito displayed his initial reaction. Hagler's peak saw a whole slew of middleweights who could take a tremendous punch: Vito, Minter, Hamsho, James "Hard Rock" Green, ect...


    Naturally, it's easiest to go with heavyweights first, considering the assumption of greater firepower involved.

    Tony Galento got through over 100 heavyweight fights during an era of six ounce gloves before a peak Louis was finally able to drop him. (Of course, Two-Ton got back up to return the favor.)

    Tex Cobb didn't have the defensive skills of Chuvalo (nor the long career). Took everything Shavers had (to the body as well as head), although it should be pointed out that Earnie was correct in claiming a slick ring surface compromised his ability to get properly set. (In the footage, Tex is seen slipping to the deck in ring center, while Shavers is sliding in the corners.)

    Max Baer could take a tremendous punch, as well as deliver one. It's only at the end of his rematch with Nova that he appears very obviously stunned and forced down by punching. (It appears to me as if the knockdowns Louis produced were as much a choice of Baer going down as Joe's offensive arsenal.)

    Marciano claimed to have never lost his senses, and he was on the receiving end of possibly the most powerful single punch Archie Moore ever delivered.

    Foreman, during his decade long second career, was an even bigger, slower and easier target to hit than when he originally boxed, yet nobody came close to dropping him, despite his facing some deadly punchers and taking beatings he never had to endure during his teens and twenties.


    Toney has obviously set himself apart from RJJ in part with his chin. When Willie Pastrano was dropped by Jose Torres, a left hook to the body, not the chin, did the trick. When Pastrano started boxing to lose weight, he weighed over 250 pounds. His professional career began after he had lost nearly 130 pounds, but his chin apparently was always that of a 250 pounder.

    Going to a source like boxwreck doesn't necessarily help determine the answers to questions like this, precisely because they may not accurately specify when a knockdown or stoppage is due to a cut, bodyshot, or questionable discretion on the part of a cornerman, referee or even the boxer who is stopped. (Of course we all know how notorious boxwreck is for things like recording ten counts as TKOs, ect...doesn't anybody involved with boxwreck ever check youtube footage against their own reporting?)

    What do we make of somebody like Stribling, who went the distance as often as not, and was only taken out late in round 15 by a peak Schmeling? Perhaps a great defensive specialist, but doesn't chin have to factor in at some point? (Ditto Locche.) Greb would seem to be a natural for any top chin list.

    Billy Graham and Duilio Loi (RIP) obviously can't be overlooked, although defensive skill certainly played a role with Graham (as is the case with others like Toney and Locche).

    Jeffries comes to mind. He was only dropped as the result of an ill advised comback against a peaking ATG, as was true for Paulino Uzcudun. For that matter, SRL was never dropped until his first dreadful comeback attempt against Kevin Howard. (And Ray was only obviously stunned by Fireball Rodriguez and Duran in Montreal, although he also later claimed to be in serious trouble with Bruce Finch.)

    Mike Spinks might deserve a mention here. He was only punched down by Tyson, and the first of those two knockdowns was from a bodyshot. He handled plenty of light heavyweights who could hit before tackling Cooney. But could any lightheavyweight have done the job?
     
  10. McGrain

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    It's an impossible question to answer really, but here are some names worthy of consideration:

    Charley Burley - All the way up to heavyweight, never stopped rarely down. In with murderous punchers up at 175 including Smith and Marshall.

    Eddie Booker - Another light-middle who made it all the way up to heavy without being stopped

    Barbados Joe Walcott - Legendary punch resistance

    Chris Eubank - If you want a fighter under 200lbs capable of stopping him you might want to look up Dempsey or Rocky.

    Jim Jeffries - I heard Corbett dropped him in sparring, but I never heard anything else! Took an insane beating from Johnson after an endless layoff to stop him.

    Jake LaMotta - Astonishing punch resistance and stamina

    Jack Britton - Maybe the best chin of all time at his weight. 350 fights, stopped once in his second fight - I honestly think it is possible that if all his fights were filmed he'd be in the p4p top ten argument because that is incredible. And he fought great fighters includer Walker, Leonard and Lewis 185 times or something.

    Joe Gans - Probably unstoppable at his weight pre-TB, no matter what the record books say.

    Tommy Gibbobs - Should be included. Stopped ONCE at the very end. Was in with guys like Dempsey, Norfolk, Carpantier, Miske, a truly great chin. In fact I'm starting to think he's an underated fighter.

    Mickey Walker - Watch some of the shots he takes from Schmeling before succumbing. Little monster.

    Harry Greb - Obviously

    Marivn Hagler - Never stopped, never would be at 160, check some of the shots he ships to Hearns.

    Dick Tiger - Stoppe once before he knew his arse from his elbow, stopped once at LHW by the biggest puncher in the history of the LHW division, unstoppable at peak at the weight. You cannot outpunch Dick Tiger. Unless you are Sam Langford.

    Sam Langford - Showed great punch resistance all the way up to HW.

    Joe Calzaghe - Shipped flush monster shots to the heavy handed Kessler, barely even blinked. Worthy of consideration.

    Evander Hollyfield - Swallowed bombs from some of the biggest punchers in the history of the HW division

    James Toney - Astounding punch resistance all the way up to HW.

    Diulio Loi - Never stopped. Was he even down? 126 fights.

    There will be loads of others, but I need a ****.
     
  11. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loi was never off his feet as far as I know.

    Don't know if I'd include Holyfield in a top ten list. Top 20, maybe. Stopped by a middleweight, Bowe, dropped by Cooper, and so on. Good, but not Laporte good.

    How is Gans record that misleading, McGrain?
     
  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    And why all the boxrec hate, Lobotomy? :D
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He was involved in fixes. One KO is a quit job and boxing was banned in Chicago after one of his fights he threw it so badly :lol:

    If you want to know more abot Gans, Senya is your man.
     
  14. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    In that case, how about Librado Andrade?
     
  15. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    another guy who deserves a mention is Tony Canzoneri.