Your TOP TEN POUND FOR POUND 1910-1919

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Proceed.

    Packy McFarland
    Jimmy Wilde
    Sam Langford
    Mike Gibbons
    Freddie Welsh
    Benny Leonard
    Ted Kid Lewis
    Harry Greb
    Jack Johnson
    Jeff Smith

    I will revise this as necessary.
     
  2. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Langford called Dempsey "the greatest hwt he had ever seen" so he (Dempsey) should be on the list.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    How does his paper thin resume remotely compare to any listed above?
     
  4. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jack Dillon should be in, methinks. Would probably put him in above Welsh, to be honest.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Welsh might have the single best result on the list. And two other guys on the list owned Dillon.

    Still, he had an impressive record. Good mention.
     
  6. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A loss to Willard, an undefeated heavyweight champion coming off a long lay off, Frank Moran and Fireman Sam hardly seems like top 10 material
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Yeah, I agree.

    Got caught giving the Career Achievement Award to the guy.

    :good
     
  8. WhyYouLittle

    WhyYouLittle Stand Still Full Member

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    I like Johnny Dundee in JJ's place. That aside, I pretty much agree.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Better than Jack Johnson's.
    Probably compares quite well to Wilde.
     
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    No, it doesn't.

    Look at the retreads his rise to the title was built upon. Aside from Fulton, you have guys like Morris on losing streaks and so shot and/or disinterested the local papers doubted whether he would even show for the fight. He was strictly a compiler. Upon close examination, those names don't shine as brightly as they once had.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    And what of Jimmy Wilde ?
     
  12. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's cool, I take comfort in the fact that people with a wider repertoire don't always remember everything they no, I'm not really in any place to judge. You might be able to make an argument, just not based on his resume, although in that sense I'd agree with you that Dempsey's isn't that much better if at all. Quality over quantity.
     
  13. gregluland

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    Mike Gibbons is clearly overrated, why did he refuse to go where fights were real, had judges, went 20 rounds and the money was far better ? yet stayed in America while Darcy was getting massive kudos downunder ????.... obviously he preferred to fight stupid 8 round No Decision rubbish to keep his reputation. Of course nobody ever digs deep here, they see WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE. Darcy beat Smith too but anyway.
     
  14. gregluland

    gregluland Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Les Darcy was very unimpressed with Dillon and said he thought Dillon was a bum in private letters home, this was not for publicity to trump up a fight, no just his actual opinion, he said, "I can't believe that some people here (the US) actually think he would have a chance against me". But I don't think many of the fighters impressed him that he saw while in America, certainly not among middles or light heavies.

    Now freddie Welsh was one of the true greats of the era and I think lightweights are often a lot more talented than most of the big guys, I also list Welsh in my list although mine is a top 12.
     
  15. gregluland

    gregluland Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most fighters back then all fought their fair share of retreads, Greb, Gibbons, hell they all loved to pad up their records fighting bums in ND fights... Boxrec is not perfect but they are right to not allow ND results as official results. Wilde gets picked on because none of you know the standard of British boxing back then, I don't either.