Your unpopular boxing opinions

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mrkoolkevin, Mar 8, 2019.

  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hi ETM. I believe that Ali gave away so many rounds because -

    1/ He thought that Spinks would blow himself out eventually. He did n't.
    2/ Ali thought that he could come from behind and stop his man like he'd done on quite a few previous occasions. e.g. the Ron Lyle fight. Unlike against Lyle,though,Muhammad no longer had those lightning fast combinations - and that right hand.


    I can't honestly envisage Muhammad losing on purpose.
     
  2. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interesting and not-unbelievable idea, but my hero worship of Ali isn't letting me embrace it lol.
     
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  3. SheenLantern

    SheenLantern Active Member Full Member

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    Talking about a study by Jonathan Eig, it paints a very bleak picture of Ali after the Shavers fight. I think that fight did life changing damage to Ali's brain. With modern understanding of the disease, Ali easily could have been diagnosed with Parkinson's in 1978. The real outlier fight is the second match with Spinks, I have absolutely no idea how Ali turned back the clock that night.

    "Spinks was really the only guy left he had a prayer of defeating in a rematch" there is absolutely no way this crossed Ali's mind. He still thought he could beat Holmes 3 years later. He had absolutely no idea how much he had lost. In his mind he was still the man he was when he beat George Foreman in Zaire.
     
  4. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Clever....
     
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  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I have come to expect that. The question you can ask yourself is what if it was anyone else? Insert any other fighter with the same situation they would have at least been under some suspicion.
     
  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I hope he didn't. Maybe it was a subconscious type of thing. I'm not saying he bet against himself and all that but self fulfilling prophecy sometimes.
    Ofcourse its impossible to prove something like this. Especially a figure like Ali who was and is worshipped.
     
  7. Guru88

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    Ike Ibeabuchi is one of the hardest heavyweights to beat head to head
     
  8. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good post. Yes,that that was why Muhammad thought that Earnie Shavers was a more punishing puncher than George Foreman. Ali had forgotten,or not realised,how much he'd slipped during those three years between those two fights.
     
  9. Chitown

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    Amir Khan was a bad matchup for Timothy Bradley and wouldve beaten him if they fought during their primes.
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Riddick Bowe would beat Foreman
     
  11. SheenLantern

    SheenLantern Active Member Full Member

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    I think Amir Khan is a bad matchup for anyone who isn't a big puncher.
     
  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is an interesting idea, @MarkusFlorez99

    Might make a very intriguing topic.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most people favor Foreman of course but i think Bowe has the size and the infighting skills to cause an upset
     
  14. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    Ward beat Kovalev in the first fight.

    Battling Jim Johnson picks up a version of the world title in the 80s, 00s and 10s.
     
  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I’d like to see if your opinion changes if you go rewatch the 15th round of the first fight. It’s a corker. Not the way a guy fights if he’s trying to lose. Tell me he’s not trying to knock Leon out.