Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mrkoolkevin, Mar 8, 2019.
Bill, is that you?
Muhammad Ali took a dive in the first Leon Spinks fight. Spinks was really the only guy left he had a prayer of defeating in a rematch. The motivation ofcourse to be the first man to win the title 3 times. Coming in so out of condition lends a convenient excuse. Perhaps it was a subconscious type of thing. He couldn't motivate himself to take the fight serious probably because Spinks shouldn't have been fighting for the title yet. Ali shouldn't have been fighting either.
The whole thing was a **** sandwich and boxing fans had to take a bite. Ali at that time had so much good credit and he used it all. Dive may be the wrong way to phrase it. He definitely didn't come to win, he certainly cheapened the championship of the world by artificially letting Leon Spinks lay claim to it.
Hi ETM. I believe that Ali gave away so many rounds because -
1/ He thought that Spinks would blow himself out eventually. He did n't.
2/ Ali thought that he could come from behind and stop his man like he'd done on quite a few previous occasions. e.g. the Ron Lyle fight. Unlike against Lyle,though,Muhammad no longer had those lightning fast combinations - and that right hand.
I can't honestly envisage Muhammad losing on purpose.
Interesting and not-unbelievable idea, but my hero worship of Ali isn't letting me embrace it lol.
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Talking about a study by Jonathan Eig, it paints a very bleak picture of Ali after the Shavers fight. I think that fight did life changing damage to Ali's brain. With modern understanding of the disease, Ali easily could have been diagnosed with Parkinson's in 1978. The real outlier fight is the second match with Spinks, I have absolutely no idea how Ali turned back the clock that night.
"Spinks was really the only guy left he had a prayer of defeating in a rematch" there is absolutely no way this crossed Ali's mind. He still thought he could beat Holmes 3 years later. He had absolutely no idea how much he had lost. In his mind he was still the man he was when he beat George Foreman in Zaire.
I have come to expect that. The question you can ask yourself is what if it was anyone else? Insert any other fighter with the same situation they would have at least been under some suspicion.
I hope he didn't. Maybe it was a subconscious type of thing. I'm not saying he bet against himself and all that but self fulfilling prophecy sometimes.
Ofcourse its impossible to prove something like this. Especially a figure like Ali who was and is worshipped.
Ike Ibeabuchi is one of the hardest heavyweights to beat head to head
Good post. Yes,that that was why Muhammad thought that Earnie Shavers was a more punishing puncher than George Foreman. Ali had forgotten,or not realised,how much he'd slipped during those three years between those two fights.
Amir Khan was a bad matchup for Timothy Bradley and wouldve beaten him if they fought during their primes.
Riddick Bowe would beat Foreman
I think Amir Khan is a bad matchup for anyone who isn't a big puncher.
This is an interesting idea, @MarkusFlorez99
Might make a very intriguing topic.
Most people favor Foreman of course but i think Bowe has the size and the infighting skills to cause an upset