Your unpopular boxing opinions

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Curtis 'hatchet man' Sheppard is the hardest puncher in boxing.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you have any footage?
     
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  3. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    His bout against Steele was one of his last.

    I picked this video as it was one of the first to show up, and Steele is obviously dominant.
     
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    There is no footage I know.
    However, there is large testimonies to his power. Archie Moore stated he was the hardest puncher he faced. Marciano was 4th.
    He also KOd several opponents that others couldn't no matter how they tried. However I cannot remember off the top of my head.
    Power is highly arguable in boxing, so it is only my opinion.

    Edit:

    Read this
    http://www.phillyboxinghistory.com/.../20100201_sheppard_hatchetman_alkazoff_01.htm
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    First few that come to mind:

    Hardcore classic boxing fans greatly overestimate the gap between ATGs and non-ATGs, and they often talk about ATGs like children talk about their favorite comic book superheroes.

    "The Great Boxing Trainer" discussed in forums like this is mostly a myth, and there are no shortage of excellent trainers today.

    Modernization and technological advances (in travel, television, communication, and eventually video) helped consolidate and accelerate technical and strategic advances in boxing during the mid-20th century far more rapidly than ever before.

    Most of the "forgotten arts" of boxing either aren't forgotten or are forgotten for a reason (because they're strategically subpar or obsolete)

    The heavyweights of the 70s Golden Era are overrated from a head-to-head perspective.

    Duran wasn't physically much different in New Orleans than he had been in Montreal, and the various conflicting after-the-fact excuses for the quit job aren't compelling at all

    People who complain about modern boxers often confuse differences in style and strategy used by modern fighters with a decline in skills.

    An old ATG boxer's success against opponents who all had certain tendencies and techniques (extremely low guards, offenses oriented around lunging power punch leads, etc.) tells us very little about how they would fare against more modern fighters h2h.

    Several members of the lost generation of 80s heavyweights had the physical tools to become great/ATG heavyweights were it not for their issues with drugs, food, and work ethic. At their bests, I'd pick some of them over any number of ATG heavyweights.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

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    Thanks man that was an excellent read, it's a shame the way he sounded was like a mix between Rubin Carter and Marciano that would've been terrifying
     
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  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    The idea that Larry Holmes had a better jab than Ali and that he hit harder than Ali. Based on what? He couldn't do most of the things Ali could because he didn't have the gifts.
    So yes he depended on his jab more and he stood his ground and fired his right more. Neither were better.
    The truth Ali and Holmes in their primes fight in a phonebooth Larry would get knocked out or quit. Ali was stronger and a better puncher.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Been reading through the man's Boxrecs and just doing some general research in him and I found he accidentally killed George Fitch and holds a 1st round KO over Joey Maxim and a fifth over Durable 100 fight veteran Tony Shuccu who beat both Rosenbloom and Sharkey
     
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  9. janitor

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    Plausible!

    I suspect that he was at least the hardest puncher of the first half of the 20th century.
     
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  10. Russell

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    I'm of the same opinion, that the Hatchetman is P4P probably one of the hardest hitting fighters of all time.
     
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  11. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not at all. I don't even know who you are. I am just stating facts. Cheers
     
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  12. Pat M

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    Here is a prediction...because of the short article written by "Hatchetman" Sheppard's friend about him, we are going to be reading lots of posts on this board about Sheppard. There will be posts about prison fights, fist size, etc. He will be the new "comic book super hero" to the hero worshipers. This will be because of one short article, and no video. That's the advantage of being a written about fighter with no video, a hero worshiper writes the story, another hero worshiper magnifies it, and there is no video to show the flaws. Instant super hero!
     
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  13. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    But his opponents were filmed, and their skills can be seen, and several of them give testimony to his power.
    Besides, we aren't saying he's some ultra fighter. Simply that's he was one of the hardest punchers.

    Its funny, because David Tua gets the 'Comic Book Treatment' a lot more than Curtis on this forum, who is rarely mentioned at all. Yet you don't call that out.
     
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  14. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great post. Emmanuel Stewart felt the same way.
     
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  15. Grapefruit

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    Srl lost to hearns and hagler

    Hagler was the greatest middleweight all time

    Gerald mcclelen hit harder than any other middleweight

    Jack Johnson is very overrated and would have gotten knocked spark out by Langford
     
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