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Sure it does. Joe Frazier was unathletic. Ali couldn't run or jump a lick. Holmes and Tyson looked ridiculous on the basketball court. Tell me more about unathletic big men.

 

You consider those men big? They were athletic where it mattered. Watch the fights of real big men I hear there is this thing called YouTube you can watch a ton of them on. Specifically watch most of them after 1994 to see some great truly big unathletic big men.

 

I think Teddy’s a great trainer. However, I believe he’d get his best results if he created his fighter from scratch, like Cus did Tyson. Problem is, he’s already been to the top of the sport as a trainer and I doubt he has the patience/passion to grind it out with a novice. Plus, like Cus with Tyson, I think he’d be paranoid about losing his “creation” to a shrewd character.

 

Good call on Ali/Foreman.

 

Toney could’ve fought in any era.
Same for Sweet Pea.
Prime RJJ beats many ATGs in H2H matchups.
Armstrong vs Pryor would be a hard mythical matchup to top.

 

Convenient way for you to imagine lesser versions of the more recent fighters in h2h matchups against the little guys of yesteryear in order to even the playing field. I take that as a tacit admission that you don't see Marciano and Frazier faring all that well against the versions of these bigger men who actually existed?

PS -- And just to be clear, I wasn’t only referring to the giant "superheavyweights."

 

Choklab, it was not 1% back than, and 1% now! How did this come into your head?

It was 0,29% in 1950, and is 1,28% today!
72.500 possible SHWs in 1950, 1.765.333 possible SHWs today. 25-times more today.

Men got bigger, that hapenned. The probability to find a SHWs with skill and athletics is very low in general, und was much lower before 1950. That´s way you didn´t saw any.

 

Exactly, “Strength training” is just code for drug cheating isn’t it. Turning gangly klutzes with thin arms and long necks into athletes was always the holy grail. It’s all possible now.

If PEDs existed in the 1920s they might of had to invent a cruiserweight division then.

 

There are a lot more people. And 1% of the population is still only one percent.

you don’t think drug cheating might have something to do with it then? Funny hoW so many of the current heavyweights have failed drugs tests (Tyson Fury, Povetkin, Ortiz, Tony Thompson etc etc as well as all the peculiarities and suspicions associated with champions before testing started) but your happy to celebrate an increase in “big men with skill” within 1% of the modern population as the answer?

It is an actual fact that fighters are more effective using PEDs. It is an actual fact that boxing is awash with drug cheats. And so are all the other sports.

Is it that hard to imagine the technical limitations of a giant without his PEDs? Look at film of giants from the olden times.

 

Your ignorance is spellbinding.

 

What are the numbers of registered boxers though between then and now? Is it so different to when boxing was a mainstream sport bigger than basket ball and baseball? Has the proportion of the population who take up boxing remained the same? I don’t think so. Your talking about 1.765.333 giants. Consider the take up. Then consider PED use.

 

But they don’t like Primo. You would think they might. But they don’t.

 

I love this & agree 110%

 

Fury had skills and so did Primo.

PEDs do “enhance” though don’t they. Fighters are more effective using than not juicing. It won’t increase skill but it might eliminate some of the fatigue that hinders it. A fatigued fighters technique goes out of the window after a few rounds. Then there’s strength. Recovery. It all helps. So much so it’s supposed to be illegal.

 

It’s ignorant to point at recent proof of confirmed drug cheating that has likely been going on ever since Superheavyweights became effective?