You're a Trainer For Frazier/Marciano To Face Sonny Liston

eliminate the jab and get inside the end of his punches and when on the outside get down low. This may be harder fro Frazier because h did not lean back he bobbed and weaved coming in but Frazier was a pressure fighter unlike anyone Sonny faced. Remember these guys were punchers too and showed much more power than any of the big punchers Sonny faced. I think the Jab was Sonny's best weapon but Sonny was slow. Frazier had a short prime but a prime Joe may chop Sonny up with the hook and shake him 1st. Marciano I would tell to slip the jab,use his elbows and arms to block but let Sonny feel his power early and let him decide if he want to get into a shootout. I think the key is to avoid Sonny at his range and get inside, I would have Marciano fight a lot more cautious early but test Sonny with a few akward blasters. I would not be surprised to see Sonny go down from a right hand like the one that felled Rex Layne. Frazier I would tell. left right to the body and work that hook to the body and head

 

I would tell them to shoot it out with him as early as possible. I have seen Liston get staggered from good punches. If Frazier of Marciano happened to be lucky enough to land a huge punch before Liston could, then they have a chance.


They're both stylistically screwed, if fighting Liston. So I think they're only hope is to go out there from the start with all the courage they can muster up in the world, and just shoot it out with him, and roll the dice.

 

Rocky has both a right and a left; Joe may only have a hook.

But Liston is 2 inches shorter than Ali, so Joe/ Rock punches might reach him easier.

Back Liston up and he may be a completely different fighter.

Of course the Hood said the same thing to the Bismarck, as the HMS disappeared from the ocean waves forever.

 

Marciano and Frazier were more different than people think. Frazier never stopped moving forward, utilizing a very good bob and weave defense. Great against boxers, because he can get inside and work the body. However, This I feel would be suicide against a puncher like Liston. I would have frazier move more and use lateral movement. Make liston miss with the jab before wading in. I would not let Frazier employ his usual non stop forward motion. The primary goal for frazier would be to take liston to the late round, where he could potentially outwork him down the stretch. I would advice frazier early on to tie liston up in the clinches, while in the latter rounds to open up in close. Marciano on the otherhand was not as aggresive as frazier. Rocky loved to dip low and his crouch, and systematically work his way in when he felt it was safe. This is a better approach against Liston. I would have Marciano really rolling and dipping that crouch making liston have to punch at difficult angles. I would have rock slowly and smartly work his way inside, taking a jab or two once in a while but staying away from the big uppercut. Once inside, I would have rocky get as vicious and aggresive as possibly can be. Gain Listons respect. Once the 12th round came by, I would have rocky open up and try to steal the fight right then and now. T

 

Marciano is the easiest to train. He fights every fight the same and rightly so. Tight defence, duck under the jab and land the hard left and right, reset and start again. I would work on defence a little bit and definitely stamina. I think it would be a great fight and Rocky has every chance of tiring Liston down the championship rounds and getting the knockout, in fact i would be reasonably confident.

Frazier has a few problems, and i think that he might be up against it, but if he is to win, he needs a faster than usual start, and i think an emphasis on a the left hook to the body and head. I would maybe try to get him to concentrate on smothering and clinching Liston earlier in the fight, particularly if he is hurt, and once again, have his fitness at an all time high. I think that if he can stay competive enough early, Frazier has a chance to outlast and/or outpoint LIston in the later rounds.

I dont think that either Frazier or Marciano can or should make any drastic changes to their style.

 

Marciano has a better chance of slugging Liston into oblivion because he worked in mysterious ways. Frazier was brilliant at what he did but that fact he rarely changed his posture or angles sounds the alarm bell.

Marciano almost slithered along the floor which would help him escape the jab and sink in unorthodox haymakers. People always make the mistake and throw in the adjective of 'crude', but although one could see Marciano boiling up his efforts the delivery of the slugs were, nonetheless, hard to read because he was considerate. Willing but considerate.

Frazier does not have that same consideration and would be using similar punches and sitting at the same range for the boxing brute to figure him out.

Marciano doesn't necessarily need Ted Spoon to sculpt him the paramount performance in pugilism. He has a great shot to begin with.

 

Keep low, draw the lead, then fire to the body. Marciano caught many a jab in his open right glove. Frazier took a lot on the top of his forehead.

The problem with this is that once you get inside of a long armed monster like Liston ,you find he is just as lethal up close and, very powerful ,plus he has two handed power which Joe did not have ,and a very good uppercut which is trouble for a croucher.

 

No one has talked about what Liston When he felt Rocky's power.

 

That was kinda the whole point in my strategy/advice :good