You're Miguel Cotto - How do you fight Floyd?

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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  2. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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  3. Bee KeepZ

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    Mix it up. Down low and up top, use plenty of feints to draw him out/not read your timing, and use an uppercut here and there. If Mayweather wants to go to the ropes, that's where Cotto needs to put in his work, on the inside, bang his body, shoulder, and arms, but don't get careless - Mayweather loves to counter off the ropes, but it's a one-shot done type of thing. Ortiz definitely got Mayweather with a body shot, he didn't like. Mayweather is conscious of that rib, go to it.

    Cotto is not going to develop that right hand, it's too late for that, but he can still score with it. He needs to stop that BS, he keeps doing after he lands a good shot. It's like he's admiring his own work, stop that sh!t and follow it up.

    Before the Margarito fight, you could expect one thing from Cotto - you are going to get beat up. Cotto needs to go back to that type of mentality - if you're going to step in the ring with Cotto, you're going to get hurt.

    HURT - that's the type of mentality he needs to go in there with.

    "Ah want, to no whish, a Merry Christmas to Mayweather." - This is the type of mentality he needs to go in there with.

    "Ah, wahn to go to heym. Ah gohn to stare at heym, so that hay can taste dah victory."

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP8E-za4Ny8[/ame]
     
  4. 1_man_army

    1_man_army The Knockout King Full Member

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    Behind the jab, keep inside, work the body, cut the ring off well and try not to give Floyd too much time to get off. If I was Miguel I would try to make it an ugly fight.
     
  5. Concrete

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    If I remember correctly there was one poster who replied with flying head butt, I thought it was pretty funny which is why I remember.
     
  6. Agree with a lot of points in this thread, this is a great fight but although I am one of Floyd's fans, Cotto is my second favourite fighter and this fight is a few years too late, but it's better late than never.
    I think at 154 Cotto has a greater chance than he did at 147 but I can only see two results, 1) is a Floyd TKO from 10-12. 2) is a Floyd UD (116-112).

    If I was training Cotto I would work on the jab most definately, although people are commenting on how good ODH jab was against Floyd, I think the size of Oscar was what made it so difficult for Floyd, Oscar is bigger than Cotto and Floyd couldn't time Oscars jab and come over the top with it. I would establish the jab for Cotto and as previously mentioned, I would get the jab mixed up, throw to the head, body, double and triple jabs but I wouldn't want Cotto to get into a rhythem with the jab, Floyd will time it in seconds (SEE ORTIZ ROUND 3) being unpredictable and showing a range of punches will help keep Floyd on guard.
    Combinations will be important for Cotto in this fight throwing jabs, hooks, straight punches and uppercuts in combinations will make Floyd hesitant to counter, by mixing up the punches Floyd will again have to stay on guard and once Cotto has landed a few solid combinations it is key to move off to Floyd's left to avoid the right hand counter.
    I also think Cotto has to change from attacker to defensive for a few rounds, so begin to walk Floyd down land the combinations and then retreat, tighten up the defence, throw counter combinations to keep Floyd aware and then begin to walk FLoyd down again.


    Now firstly I think Cotto will cause Floyd some problems that will take Floyd a few rounds to overcome, infact I think half way through this fight Cotto will be level or a point up on the scorecards because of activity and intelligant pressure. However the way I see this fight going is Floyd taking over from the mid rounds and stops trying to counter Cotto and begins to walk Cotto down (EASIEST WAY TO DEFEAT HIM) I think Cotto will underestimate Floyd's strength and Floyd will begin cutting the ring off like Cotto hasn't seen, Floyd won't hurt Cotto right away but Floyd will land consistantly and apply relentless pressure, Floyd will mix up his attack to head and body to mentally tire Cotto and from rounds 8 onwards Cotto will mainly be on retreat.
    Floyd will be a point or two infront from Round 10 and although the fight looks close on the scorecards the momentum will be with Floyd and Floyd will being to land combinations (SEE ORTIZ ROUND 4) and Cotto's corner will pull Cotto out midway through round 11 with Floyd up on the scorecards.

    A tough fight, will go down as a class, but FLoyd wins by TKO.
     
  7. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks, great post. Enjoyed reading that:good

    It's intresting that you think Cotto will be up on the scorecards at the half way point, that's been incredibly rare in FMJ's career. (Oscar and Castillo maybe?)

    De La Hoya had a better jab than Cotto IMO and vitaly, a far longer reach. Cotto's jab will (I think) not even be used from the 4th round on, where I expect Floyd to actually be walking Cotto down, and throwing lead right hands, mixed in with the occasional jab to the body, and an uppercut. (He threw a fair few against Ortiz) Sounds weird to say Floyd will back Cotto up, but Mayweather is a much physically stronger fighter now, than when this fight was first mooted back in 07/08.
     
  8. lithmus test

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    Is this the cotto version that Mayweather avoided when Arum offered him i think 7 million to fight?

    I also remember reading here an interview of Freddie Roach, saying that "Cotto with hair" is a more dangerous and makes little mistakes compared to the "bald Cotto".

    Anyways, if i'm Miguel Cotto, i would revert back to the old Cotto, the not-so-nice version of Cotto... yes, yes, you know what i'm talking about --- the Judah fight. That Cotto version is nasty!

    Judah is the only other person who give Floyd a competitive fight (Castillo's the other one) , and look what Cotto did to him. When Judah starts to roll on the attack, he busted him in the nut! He slows him down!

    Now, that's one hell of a warrior's mindset kicking right there. Going primal.
    Its like saying, "you cant f*cking beat me, im gonna do all in my power to f*ck you up." Oh, its beyond boxing now, motherf*cker!"

    Coz that the only way to beat Floyd, repeat the Judah fight, lots of body blows (Floyd can't use his excellent patented shoulder-roll to protect the body LOL)
    and lots of jabs (he seems to be susceptible to jabs in ODLH fight and Cotto is an excellent jabber),...
    and the mindset, dont forget the mindset... if Floyd starts kicking your azzzz....
     
  9. Leon

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    Castillo definitely wasn't up on the scorecards by the half way point. Mayweather won 5 out of the first 6 rounds, maybe 4 depending on how you score.

    Oscar and Mayweather were split 3 rounds a piece half way through their fight.

    Mayweather is going to get in that AZZ immediately right after the opening bell rings. He has publicly stated that he'll come forward like he did for the Mosley and Ortiz fights.

    Mayweather: You guys don’t have to worry about me backpedaling. I'm going to stand there and box, toe to toe, use my defense and do what I do best - get the victory.

    These newer edition Mayweathers are much more active in the early rounds.
     
  10. DavidChao

    DavidChao A contender,.. a somebody Full Member

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    Always great analysis, Mr Bogo. Kudos! :good
     
  11. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    jab and run...not move but run...occasional body shot after a jab and run...use the left all day, use the right as a feint....

    he cant stay in the pocket, he got brutalized by pac...pbf is gonna dissect him...
     
  12. good

    good 'bad' Full Member

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    War cotto.,,,
     
  13. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    He should really think about coming in lighter. He's going to need that speed.

    The body is where it's at, don't head hunt.
     
  14. cippi

    cippi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i didnt read much of this thread . if u wanna beat may u gotta have many dimensions . u cant just b good at one thing . u got walk him down . then u gotta box . u really gotta pull all the tools out of the tool box n use the effectively n at the right time . i give cotto zero chance of beating floyd though . cotto is going to get his ass kicked.
     
  15. SweetHome_Bama

    SweetHome_Bama Loyal Member banned

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    Pressure, excellent defense on the inside, pressure, head feints to get inside, and the ability to mix up his shots so Floyd can't easily counter, and pressure.