Youtube: Which Fighters Has It Been Kind To, & Vice Versa?

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  1. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    The popularity of youtube has done great things for boxing fans who didn't have access to footage. It has opened doors for more meaningful understandings of fighters from different eras and thus more meaningful debate. Yet, I can't help but think that youtube has done more to promote the careers of some fighters moreso than others. A few examples;

    1. Until recently, the only footage available of Hector Camacho was that of his fights post Rosario era, which for me -at least for a while- affirmed the wrap on him as a runner. More recently the Ramirez match was added much to my delight and I was able to see the Camacho that classic posters rave about.

    2. The footage that exists of Pep on youtube is mostly against his stylistic foe, Saddler. This footage IMO doesn't showcase Pep as the offensive boxer he could be, or the full range of skills he possesed. Yet, its the footage that most novice viewers use to judge him as a fighter. Shame really, can you imagine if the only footage of Mosely was agianst Forrest.. and so on (insert example here).

    3. Footage of boxers in the begginings fo the t.v. era can now be seen on youtube, which can serve to enhance our appreciation of them. In this sense, their stock rises as they can be seen and are thus differentiated from fighters that can't be assesed because "no footage exists". This seems unfair of course to unfilmed boxers.


    I know this is an abstract idea in some ways. It seems fair to say though that perception creates reality, and that youtube influences our perception in some ways that are only partly truthfull with at least some boxers of bygone eras.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fighters like Herol Graham where you only ever see them on the end of a highlight reel KO loss.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    well on the youtube footage i see of saddler-pep on youtube, i see pep outboxing saddler well ahead on the cards outboxing him at every area(except saddler gets to him knocks him down once) but these fights are controversial to me. Pep was giving him a boxing lesson. I wouldnt say these fights do him bad justice.
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Kind to Manny Pacquiao. Videos everywhere of him knocking down Marquez three times in the first round, but the rest of the 11 rounds where he was dominated are nowhere to be seen.
     
  5. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He was schooled , i need to the rematch badly. I hear Marquez was robbed again
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Active Member Full Member

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    I wouldnt say robbed thought he deserved it though
     
  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Pacman knocked him down 3 times in the first( the ref could have stopped it too after 3rd kd)..........thats a 10-6 round. Pacman won around 4 of the next 11 rounds with Marquez taking 7. Do the math, pacman still wins the fight by one point. Even if you are give pacman only 3 of the last 11 rounds, the fight still translates into a draw.
     
  8. Rebel-INS

    Rebel-INS Mighty Healthy Full Member

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    I personally think pacman won both fights, but I'm not gonna argue about it, both were very close.

    I think youtube is great for fight fans, I've seen loads of fights I'd probably never have seen if they weren't on there.
     
  9. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Charlie Zelenoff...Andrew Hartley...

    One guy who its been kind to is Earnie Shavers. It's easy to go there and see tons of Shavers and his KO power making him look 10x better than what he is (although I think he was a good fighter in his day).
     
  10. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Except for the small fact that he flat out quit in the third fight, which seems to be such a huge problem with you, yet you rate him #1 all time P4P.

    But I agree with the thread, which is why I try to not to make full analysis and opinions about fighters unless I'm sure I've seen them at their best. Though I will give my opinions on their styles and careers.
     
  11. Irish Steel

    Irish Steel Active Member Full Member

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    Its been very kind to Mike Tyson.
     
  12. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    You know i dont differ between the two, just a choice of words, but in my own usage of the term 'robbed' - if i believe someone has put themselves through what it takes to win (especially a championship) bout, and they deserve the decision (no matter how close), then he has been 'robbed' if he doesnt get the w.

    And imo (which is just mine), the man deserved the w clearly, he schooled Pac at times which far outweighed the first brutal round over the long-haul imo.
     
  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    What film of pep have you seen in his prime? You seem to really pick at straws everytime pep is mentioned always brining up the saddler or angott fights. Makes me wonder.......


    He quit on his stool because he got his shoulder dislocated by saddlers cheap dirty tactics. It should have been a DQ win for Pep. In the 4th fight Sandy nearly took out Willie Peps eye with his thumbing and gouging.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I've seen all the footage available online, though I plan on seeing more soon.

    :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

    And you don't see any direct parallel here?
     
  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    are u talking about vitali?


    Two points

    A. Vitali had 2 rounds to go vs a Feather Fisted Cruiserweight. Pep had another 7 rounds to go against one of the greatest punchers in featherweight history.

    B. Pep got his shoulder dislocated from cheap dirty tactics. How did Vitali get his shoulder injured? from missing bryd?