** zab judah vs jmm @ 140 ** go!

Mayweather moves to his left..

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Judah prevented him to do so with a right hook..

I can also see Marquez catching Judah but not the way Tszyu did.. Haven't seen Judah do the chicken dance anymore.. :yep

 

There he's escaping a pull-counter and turning his back to JMM momentarily. Against southpaws, Floyd doesn't angle his body leftwards to slip right-jabs. Nor does he circle laterally consistently against southpaws, at least not towards their left. Nothing suggests that he was going to move that way against Judah, (he hadn't been in rounds prior) and was stopped by Judah's shot.

In any scenario, Floyd might have gotten hit by that right hook, Juan generally doesn't, so the point is moot, as it's not going to decide the fight.

Judah, on the other hand, regularly gets hit with right hands, by lesser fighters. That left-feint triggering the right hook and then following through with the right hand is exactly how Marquez has had success in previous bouts.

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Throwing the right while leaning into the inside pocket erases the need to move left in that instant in the first place.

Judah may not do the chicken dance, but then again, he was just dropped by Mabuza a few fights ago. Marquez has landed his right and avoided the right hook against more and better southpaws than Judah.

 

JMM would lose to the battle of the jabs, so JMM needs to press inside.. Something he's not used to..

Let's say JMM attacks like he did against Pacquioa..

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Look at how many times JMM ducks low..

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JMM ducks low again attempting to throw the right..

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Goes low.. again.. :deal

JMM can't change that.. That's his boxing.. He keeps on going low which is perfect for the left uppercut oh Judah..

 

Marquez is getting tagged by the right hook..

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And it was like he got hit a lot during the Pacquioa Marquez III..

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See? He's tagged a lot with those.. :deal

 

First of all, there is no "battle of jabs". Orthodox VS Southpaw fighters may use their jabs as tools on the move, but they aren't competing in a "battle" the way that same-stanced opponents use because doing so would end up in the jabs running into each other over and over again.

Second of all, Marquez ducking low is not a disadvantage because Marquez can either duck under the right hook, or bait it and pull back before coming back with a straight right.

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Third, no right hook you can show me landing on JMM will ever out-do the right hands that Marquez lands by triggering the right hook first. Straight beats curved, and Marquez has superior timing to Judah.

4th, you can always find examples of any fighter getting hit with any punch. All you've done is basically show that the right hook landing on Marquez here and there will not change much.

All that your half-assed analysis had left was that Judah was going to land the right because Marquez ducked low. Well now we've established that the way Marquez ducks low is beneficial in dodging and taking the blow, and even when he does get hit, he's in a favorable enough position that he can roll with it and it doesn't hurt or knock him off balance. We've also established that risking that right hook pays a huge return, since the right hand shot he follows up with after triggering the right hook is always harder than any right hook he's ever taken from any southpaw ever. So if you're going to try to find some way Judah beats Marquez, you'll have to look elsewhere.

 

First, you are saying that the possibility of the "battle of jabs" won't happen? Then you're wrong.. :nono Its a part of JMM's boxing that was exploited by Mayweather.. So there's a chance that Judah would capitalize on the reach advantage..

You are saying that between orthodox and southpaws the jabs would just run towards each other? You're wrong again.. :nono Didn't Bradley used the jabs against Pacquioa effectively trying to measure Pacquioa's punching distance and get away with it as fast as he can.. :yep

So if JMM can't beat him because of the difference of their punching range, then you have to press the action.. Another part of JMM's boxing that has been exposed by Mayweather.. Marquez pressing the action takes away his counter punching skills.. So it goes down to..

Marquez pressing Judah.. Marquez goes low, and Judah unleash the left uppercut.. Marquez leans towards his left, and Judah unleash the right hook.. Marquez throws combinations, Judah sways back, or steps backs.. He could really make it hard for Marquez.. :deal

Third, Its not just the right.. Its all their arsenals combined.. Granted that JMM is superior in timing, Judah is faster.. And JMM would apply pressure, which is something he's not good at..

Fourth, I just posted that clips because you said that JMM generally doesn't get hit by that kind of punch.. And now you know, he does get hit.. Multiple times.. :deal

And now I have half-assed analysis..

Dude, I just keep it short and simple..

Like this..

Judah is taller, longer, and a counter puncher..
Marquez is stronger, shorter, and also a counter-puncher..
Judah is longer so counter-punching is negated..
JMM is not a pressure fighter so he won;t be effective..
JMM ducks low while applying pressure.. A high percentage that Judah would land a left uppercut with that..
JMM moves his body to his left, a good chance Judah lands his right hook..

Judah could be all wrong for Marquez..:smoke











But you know, strange things happens.. :conf

 

I'm not going to bother anymore, so many false points about things you don't understand while blatantly ignoring arguments I've put forth all in an attempt to make a point you're arguing for your own satisfaction regardless of its unfounded nature. You're drawing parallels where they don't belong and ignoring basic truths that refute the basis of your prediction.

 

jmm KO glass jawed chicken

judah will always be judah

 

So I'm the one who doesn't understand..

Dude, I have rebutted all the points you picked.. From every single move of Marquez to every move of Judah and how it'll be hard for Marquez to beat Judah..

And you using highfaluting words doesn't mean ****.. Dude this is boxing forum, and not an online dictionary.. :hey

I chose to lay it simple, and you just got owned in here.. :deal

Judah UD 12, or Marquez T/KO.. :deal

 

What? You defeated your own points numerous times.

The term "battle of jabs" is used when two orthodox fighters are facing off and use their jab to set up the rest of their punches. Unless one fighter has a big height advantage and throws it on the move, the jab is not a key punch in deciding a fight between orthodox and southpaw fighters. You simply misused the term and overrated the importance of the punch in this scenario.

Then you mention the Bradley fight. The jab was not key to that fight. My point is not that it will never be used, but that it won't determine the outcome of a fight between opposite stance fighters most of the time.

Then you make it sound as if Marquez can't pressure at all simply because Mayweather beat him. First of all, Judah isn't as mobile as Floyd on the backfoot. Second of all, Judah doesn't have the same height and reach advantage. Third, Judah is a southpaw, so the orthodox jab to the head and body keeping Marquez away simply won't be there. And fourth, Marquez has had plenty of success coming forward against Pacquiao, Barrera, Jandaeng, (a fight you simply chose not to watch), and Joel Casamayor, another quick southpaw counter-puncher.

It's not like every counter-puncher beats Marquez, that's absurd. Especially not one who loses from eating right hands more often than they do win by using counter-right-hooks, against inferior opposition.

All you did with the GIF's was show that eating right hooks here and there while JMM is at an advantageously low angle is not going to decide the outcome in the fight. Not a single one of those counter right hooks was a more effective punch than the numerous right hands Marquez used by triggering it. So when the two throw each punch, Marquez is much more likely to have success.

So again, find some other way to paint a picture where Marquez gets out-boxed, because it's not happening like that. He may get caught and even dropped early, but it won't be the pattern that decides the fight, not by a long shot.

 

Are you ******ed? Its pretty clear that you're the guy on the internet who hasn't stepped into a boxing gym before let alone train in it. You don't even understand certain boxing terms that are pretty common sence to the amateur boxers. Don't give advice if you haven't done it before you do more worse than good:verysad

 

I haven't? That was funny.. :rofl

You guys are pretty awesome.. You use personal attacks, and post bullshits.. :yep Dude, I've been in the combative sports for more than 5 years already, all kinds of them.. I've fought a lot, to tell a lot.. I've even fought a lot of 100kg+ dude on sparring and on official fights.. :deal And I'm just around 60kg+..

So what do you do, really? Because telling me that I don't know **** is bull****, when I'm in the business for more than you joined the forums.. :deal

 

Dude, have tried boxing? :huh

Because, jabs can give you advantages whether you fight an orthodox or southpaw stances.. Its also a perfect set up for your counter-punches..

Judah could..

Use the jabs, fight in the back foot, try to bait Marquez and then, unleash the counters once Marquez gets in..

Come on, when was the last time Marquez played the pressure fighter? :deal Even Chris John knows how bad Marquez is when playing press.. :deal

You can't compare Marquez to those who landed good shots on Judah.. Because they are faster than him.. And have fought a lot of guys that are longer than them..

Its not all about the right hooks in particular.. Its the overall counter-punching abilities of Zab..

Marquez losses to any boxer that has longer reach and can throw hard counter-punches.. :deal

 

I've boxed for three and a half years, sparred both orthodox fighters and southpaws. The jab is useful if you side-step with it, but it's not used as often in cross-stance matches and it's not going to decide the fight. Judah's jab has never been his main weapon, either.

Marquez will eventually trigger Zab's counters and counter them since he has the better timing and has been more effective than every southpaw he's fought. Seriously, watch the Casamayor fight. And to answer your question, he just dominated Sedchenko coming forward for all 12 rounds. You act like everyone that makes JMM lead is going to beat him atsch Zab is good but he was never great and is past his best. Your argument has been reduced to a gross oversimplification.

 

Blah blah blah..

I can see you talk a lot about boxing.. I can see you say things like,"He should've did this to avoid that.." and lots of other stuffs.. So with all the "knowledge" about boxing that you "possess"... What the f*** did you achieve, as a boxer? :think Or are you really even one? :huh