Zab Judah Vs. Juan Manuel Marquez. Who You Got?

He's not "slightly more technical", he's much more adept at putting himself in position to land the right punches. It took Floyd 5 rounds to start dominating Judah, but Floyd is not Marquez. Marquez dominates southpaws by turning them laterally and baiting them from angles inside the pocket with lead foot positioning so that he punishes them with his counters while minimizing his own risk.

Hardcore Floyd fans don't like to admit Manny Pacquiao has boxing skills, but his offense is much more dynamic than Judah's, and Juan neutralized it easily. Like I said before, Judah may have success making him lead and countering with some good quick shots, but he's not a consistent enough mover or aggressor to keep Marquez from figuring out how to bait and counter him.

 

being more technical gives to him a good advantage imo.
I consider JMM the better counter-puncher (which is a good advantage in this matchup) and he throws combinations much better.....



















I´ve to admit though.....your post made me think again, especially about what happened in Zab vs Floyd.....

 

Good post. JMM is amazing at fighting southpaws. Plus, JMM has more heart and chin than Judah. JMM Late TKO.

 

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who is judah promoter?

 

Zab has a distinct speed, reach, and power advantage in this fight.

And while Marquez is definitely more technically gifted, it isn't by leaps and bounds.

And comparing Zab to Pac is useless. The only thing they have in common is stance. Zab actually has better defense and footwork than Pac, and he throws faster combinations (yeah that's right)... Plus he is not that far behind in power for 140.


People are assuming Zab will fold... But he won't have to. Marquez will not be applying relentless pressure, and he doesn't have the pop to deter Zab. I see it as a 8-4 Judah fight, if he doesn't swarm him in the middle rounds after catching an opening.


You better believe, had Zab hurt Marquez the way Floyd did, he would have been on his ass quickly.

 

If Judah actually gets to fight marquez then beats him who the hell does Manny fight thats if he beats Bradley

 

Keep buying the hype. Judah has a solid chin.


He was nut-punched and battered against Cotto.
He should have been allowed to continue against Zoo, and everyone knows it.

When has he taken an average punch in a fight and just gone wobbly? Marquez just doesn'y have the pressure, speed, or power to put Judah out of there. History is just not on your side with this prediction.

 

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Though I do think just one well-timed uppercut could spell trouble.

Pacquiao times his punches and counters as well. Just because he's not "slick" doesn't mean he doesn't have an educated skillset. The inside won't matter because Marquez isn't a swarmer, and Judah won't lunge onto Marquez either. Judah's fast, but he's not too much faster or slower than Pacquiao, nor does he have the same variety in his arsenal. "Speed and reflexes" are just attributes, they don't translate into victories unless they have the mechanics to go along with it, and from what I've seen, Marquez would have him figured out with the superior ring generalship.

If you really think Judah is a better fighter than Manny, your bias has overwhelmed your ability to think. As the better textbook counter-puncher, he may find success, but his often stationary and low-output habits will get picked apart by an opponent that can take away his punching angle, neutralize his best shots, and land every punch in the book down the pipe & through the guard.

 

Avatar bet that jmm wins?

 

I have a more important bet looming with Haye-Chisora...

 

lol thats cool

 

It is absolutely by leaps and bounds. His fundamentals are more solid, his arsenal more varied, his movement more dynamic, and his counters more numerous. Comparing Zab and Manny is key when examining their best attributes because they both throw fast punches out of a southpaw stance, and neutralizing the stance itself is what JMM is best at. Without the punching angle, those combinations simply won't land.

Zab does not at all have better footwork than Manny; he's often stationary and does not set up his offense with creative angles. He can step right or left fairly well, but his movement is not exceptional, nor is it key to his success.

If Judah hit Marquez with the same shot, Marquez probably would have hit the canvas, just as Floyd did, but I'm not sure he would have approached him with a straight-lined attack as opposed to a lateral shift away from the straight left and right jab/hook which he has done so successfully in the past.