Zaire..was this Ali's greatest hour ?

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  1. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

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    All things considered (and pro rata) to age,opponent,occasion etc...was this Ali's finest hour?
    Given his exploits with Liston Frazier Norton etc..and his semi political stands etc..or was the achievement slightly over blown due to George fighting a dumb fight.? Ali himself has said it wasn't a hard fight for him.
    Whichever way it must have been the fight or occasion of a lifetime to attend. Was it his greatest hour ?
     
  2. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    100% yes. This fight cemented his legacy.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Probably ,it might also have sealed the deal regarding his health problems.
     
  4. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Manila did that to him. That's the time he should have gotten out.
    His health problems would have probably come to him later in life whether he ever boxed or not. The trauma he took definitely precipitated his condition though.
     
  5. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No:nono


    The Thrilla in Manilla....

    Frazier was his biggest rival, so beating him 2 out of 3 - was his signature achievement..
     
  6. JWSoats

    JWSoats Active Member Full Member

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    Absolutely. In what was expected to be his last hurrah, Ali opened a new chapter to his legacy, flying in the face of the conventional 'they never come back' wisdom of the time.
     
  7. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't believe that for one second, IMO his health problems are 100% caused by boxing.
     
  8. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali had already beaten Frazier decisively the year before. Foreman was the superior opponent, Ali was a big underdog, and he was challenging to reclaim the title.
     
  9. Jester

    Jester Active Member Full Member

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    The fight against Foreman really did cement his legacy as the best HW ever. Even if he had lost, he would be considered top 5. But I think winning this fight pushed him past Joe Louis into the number 1 spot for many.
     
  10. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well the cause of parkinson's syndrome is currently unknown. However it is widely believed to be a genetically based in the medical profession. Just look at guys like Michael J Fox who has never been a fighter is suffering from the syndrome.
    Most people who get Parkinson's start seeing signs in there 50's and 60's, Ali started showing signs in his mid 30's. This suggests that boxing sped up his Parkinson's that was coming to him later in life.

    It also should be noted that of the many boxer who get pugilistic dementia very few get Parkinsons.
    Ali, to my understanding, does not have pugilistic dementia just Parkinsons.
     
  11. detamour

    detamour Guest

    parkinsons syndrome is alis illness. alzheimers/ dementia is loss of memory people!! Robinson, pep, saad, graziano, ellis, quarry, patterson all had alzheimers/ dementia loss.
     
  12. stevo1966

    stevo1966 Member Full Member

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    Not for me.
    The Foreman fight must have been a great event, what with the build up and amazing finale but I prefer the lightning fast hands and feet of the Cleveland Williams fight. Just awesome.
     
  13. detamour

    detamour Guest

    stevo, correct that was his best performance. And he was only 24 yrs old. Those 39 months cost him dearly!!
     
  14. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's the Ali fight I enjoy thinking about the most. Yeah, it could well be his finest hour; once again he beat the scariest heavyweight in the world and shattered Foreman's aura of invincibility. It's also the way he did it that makes it special.
     
  15. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Foreman wasn't drugged it was an impressive win.

    If Foreman was drugged it was one of Ali's better fixes.
    It wasn't as obvious as the Liston fights.