Zaire, who else could have beat Foreman that night ?

The Frazier and Ali fights are an enormously different dynamic. Frazier short with no jab at all and Ali with what i consider the greatest jab in heavyweight history. Ali on the ropes meant Foreman teed off as he had him where he planned for and wanted him.

He blocked and slipped more for sure and totally agree he was hit with shots that would have felled most or at the very least brought forward a potential fight ending scenario.

Don't forget the body punches, what he shipped was crazy. Imagine numerous others hit to the body that hard and often by a monster like George.

 

Good points. His strength and ability to match up that night were incredible tbf.

 

Lol

 

I think, from pre-70s eras, only Louis might stand a chance. From the 70s era, no one, save 'The Greatest', was beating Foreman that night.

Post 70s? Holmes might make it through, by decision. Beyond Holmes? The emergence of the skilled Super Heavyweights would likely have produced some big fire fights, out of which I think we'd have seen Foreman prevailing.


I've noticed that Jimmy Young is favored, as one such possible conqueror. I can only suppose that this is based on Young's own victory over Foreman.

The undefeated Foreman of '74, who stepped into the ring with Ali, compared with the jaded and tentative Foreman of '77, is an altogether different beast. Young would have been annihilated by Foreman in Zaire.

 

This won't be a popular opinion but I think Quarry has a decent shot of outboxing Big George. Quarry pitched shut outs against other big punchers with leaky defenses like Lyle, Mac Foster and knocked out Shavers in 1 round. Sure he lost to Frazier twice and Norton but both of them also did better against Ali. Styles make fights and I think Quarry has a shot against Foreman

 

Bingo.

 

Yes this one is a good post

 

Marciano would've beaten him. He went life and death with journeymen, washed up has-beens, and old men. That's almost the same thing as beating a young prime wrecking machine in Foreman.

 

Heres some facts to defend my boy Marciano against all of you who underrate him and say he fought only old fighters out of their prime, and smaller heavyweights and so on. "Rocky fought only old fighters" All fighters fight older fighters. Unless boxing starts seperating by age as well as weight, such will always be the case. You fight the old ones on your way up, and if you stay too long, you fight the young ones on your way down. Rocky had three key fights against past-prime fighters which are always brought up by the critics; Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Archie Moore. Why did he fight them? Well, he had to fight Louis, as both were seeking a title shot. Marciano did not want to fight Joe, whom he admired, and in his dressing room prior to the bout said, "This is the last guy on earth I want to fight." Walcott was the champion, so that was an unavoidable fight, too. Even the critics will agree you must fight the champion unless he steps down or retires, as Rocky did. Walcott wasn't ready to retire. Moore demanded and campaigned for the fight. Rocky had not sought a fight with Archie and was ready to retire. Forced into the fight by Moore, Marciano made sure nobody would doubt he won his final fight. Ezzard Charles was only two years older than Rocky; hardly in another age bracket. Roland LaStarza fought from 1947-58 and Don ****ell from 1946-55, so they were contemporaries of Marciano.

 

"Marciano fought against small heavyweights" Though he only weighed in the mid 180s, Rocky fought many men who were bigger, and always with longer reach. The heavyweights of that time weren't the big, lumbering wind suckers of today, exhausted after a few rounds. There is little excuse for the big men of today, who would be in shape at 220, plodding into the ring scaling 260. In fact, only the heavyweight division tolerates such poor athletic competitors. My opinion on it is this; make them reach a weight based on a percentage of body fat. If the man is a natural 240 pound fighter, fine. But if he is a natural 220 pounder, then make him hit the gym till he hits the weight. Walcott ... 198 and 6 foot tall. ****ell ... 205 and 5'11". Rex Layne ... 200 and over 6'. Louis ... 218 and 6'1". Lee Savold ... 200 and 6'. Jerry Jackson ... 254. Pat Connolly ... 213 and 6'5". Gilley Ferron ... 205. Johnny Shkor ... 225 and 6'5". Bill Hardeman ... 207 Artie Donato ... 202 Eldridge Eatman ... 207 Keene Simmons ... 201 Bill Wilson ... 229 and 6'2". Let's take this a step in the other direction. If Rocky is to be accused of fighting few big heavyweights, he's innocent of fighting men a lot smaller than him. That's not the case with many of the other man often touted as being better than Marciano. Here are a few examples: Jack Johnson: Johnson at 185 VS George Gardner 155 5' 11 1/2" Johnson at 210 VS Sam Langford 5' 7 1/2" 147 Johnson at 220 VS Tommy Burns 5' 7" 170 Johnson at 196 VS Fireman Jim Flynn 5' 9 1/2" 175 Johnson at 205 VS Philadelphia Jack O'Brien 5' 10 1/2" 161 Johnson at 220 Vs Stanley Ketchel 170 Joe Louis: Louis 203 VS Bob Pastor 187 Louis 199 1/2 VS Billy Conn 174 (Official. Reportedly only 168) Louis 200 VS John Henry Lewis 180 (In fairness to Joe, he was giving the half blind and poor health Lewis a much needed pay day out of friendship) Ali: Ali 207 VS Henry Cooper 185 Ali 221 VS Bob Foster 180 This is not to say these weren't good fights, but it does show that the bigger heavies weren't out there fighting other 220+ men all the time either.

 

Paragrapha. Try them. Until then, afraid those essays are all for naught. I'm not reading a damn word.

 

Jimmy Young

 

Joe Louis would have busted him up.

 

You're like the anti-Mcvey