Zarate: All time

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Trying to remember how Gomez was "ill prepared'? Cervezas & Senoritas?
     
  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Four pounds overweight at the weigh-in. Inexcusable .
     
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  3. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Carlos Zarate looked absolutely terrible while fighting Wilfredo Gomez, which was an absolute shock to me. Yet up to that time, Zarate was so dominant as a fighter while cleaning out the bantamweight division. It is true that Zarate went into a heavier weight class while fighting Gomez, but the maximum weight limit of the junior featherweight or super bantamweight class is only four pounds more than that of the bantamweight class. Zarate also may not have looked right, but my feeling is that he simply didn't match up well with Gomez.

    Ruben Oliveras, another all-time great in the bantamweight division, was not as consistent as Zarate at 118 pounds. Zarate also was taller. But I feel that Olivares had highly underrated boxing skills which enabled him to be more versatile than Zarate. For instance, Olivares, while past his peak and fighting in a heaver weight division, gave the much taller Alexis Arguello all that he could handle before being stopped in a late round.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
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  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    He may or may not have matched well with Gomez but he remains adamant that he was sick for that fight. Most here talking about it agree he didn't look rite. A rematch would have told us alot.
     
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  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Olivares is somehow at the same time in most peoples top ten ever list and still at the very same somehow still underrated.
     
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  6. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    This is very very true. I also feel Zarate gets completely forgotten. Maybe it's the way he went out then that comeback when he was an old man.
     
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  7. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I spoke to Zarate back in Wales a few years ago. He said he'd loved to of fought Olivares.
     
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  8. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Would have been incredibly had it happened. What are your thoughts on Zarate?
     
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  9. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think he was one of the best. I was a big fan of Lupe Pintor as well. I think he'd give any top bantams a good argument. I often imagine what a fight between him and Chucho Castillo would be like.
     
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  10. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His legs were gone.

    He was far more upright than he had been early on. And he used to torque so much into his punches in his prime. Once those guys lose that ability to bend at the knee's, they go downhill quick. And they sure do not absorb punches with anywhere remotely close to their good old days. Once those knee's go the balance is quickly following & it just changes everything.

    Very very few fighters can ever cope with badly deteriorated legs.
     
  11. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd make Zarate a 3-2 favorite over Olivares