Zhang vs. Joyce rematch set for Sept. 2 in London.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CroBox29, Jun 10, 2023.


Zhang vs. Joyce II, who wins this time?

Poll closed Jun 9, 2024.
  1. Zhang by UD/SD/MD

    6 vote(s)
    10.0%
  2. Zhang by KO/TKO

    35 vote(s)
    58.3%
  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Joyce by UD/SD/MD

    8 vote(s)
    13.3%
  5. Joyce by KO/TKO

    11 vote(s)
    18.3%
  1. smoking mirrors

    smoking mirrors Active Member Full Member

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    is 5 months enough time to learn how to fight a southpaw from scratch?
     
  2. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sweet, I'm getting an awesome fight for my birthday :ura:

    I'm backing Zhang to pull off the win again, though what was said about the first fight remains true. If it goes on too long it becomes Joe's fight, unless Zhang scores a few knockdowns or his stamina is better than we think it is.

    What makes me still back Zhang though, is that I really don't think Joyce is going to be able to make the necessary adjustments in time. Five months just doesn't seem like enough time to learn how to fight a southpaw and get his defense to where he'll need it to be, because as last time out proved, he can't just eat everyone's shots. Joyce's best bet is gonna be to try and pressure him and tire him out early on so he can take over later, but because of his poor defensive capabilities that's also gonna be extremely risky for him.

    I'm gonna be bold and predict Zhang gets a genuine KO this time, maybe around the same point or a little bit later.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Probably not, he was a sitting duck for the left hand of Zhang. Joyce is used to rolling away from right hands which is the punch he's been susceptible before, due to his busy jab but this time it was a left hand and he simply didn't know what to do to avoid it.

    If he can negate the left hand of Zhang even a little it might be enough of a difference to see him take the fight late where he can take over. Will be interesting to see how he approaches the problem.

    Will he try to counter Zhang's left hand to make him hesitate to throw it? Will he try and smother the left hand like he seemed to be trying late in the first fight by stepping in so Zhang doesn't get full power in the shot? Maybe he simply tries to step off the line more which was a clear issue in the first fight? Does he try to parry or block the left hand? He has to try something different, will be a real test of his ring IQ.
     
  4. Serge

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    I respect Big Joe for taking the immediate rematch but it's a very risky move, especially at his age because time isn't on his side to work his way back up the ladder after suffering back to back losses. He can pull it off if he gets his tactics and preparation right but I'd be a liar if I said I felt confident about his chances.

    Respect to Big Bang for coming back over to the ancestral, spiritual, and literal home of boxing the tiny majestic isle of Great Britain too albeit he deserved to and should've been the one who enjoyed home advantage this time.
     
  5. vituman

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    Thompson - Price 2, Helenius - Kownacki 2, Zhang - Joyce 2
     
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  6. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Joyce learnt to move to his left yet? Otherwise same result.
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I though Zhang will have more power in the rematch, and would have force China as a location.

    He was going to get robbed in the UK, as the judges have Joyce on a huge lead in the first fight, yet Joyce was picked apart, and barely won a round.

    The fight is going to be repeat or another UK robbery. And by saying robbery, it could be on the cards, it could be a British stoppage or similar stuff from the books.

    And while i slammed Hearn and Whyte hard for having a rematch against Povetkin, yet claiming how brave Whyte was, where is the same energy for Fish Eyes and Joyce ? He had a rematch against Parker too ....
    Absolutely pathetic.
     
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  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed, even if he wins the rematch ,he split with an equally old Chinaman.
     
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  9. Brighton bomber

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    I'm actually surprised that it's not in China. Either there was a stipulation in the contract which meant he had no choice or perhaps simply the money wasn't there in China to make it viable. Yes China is a big market with huge potential but boxing is still a small sport over there and there's no guarantee it would sell and generate the kind of money required to make it viable. If the fight was to happen in China it would probably be in Macau in one of the Casino's and maybe Zhang simply isn't a proven enough draw in China for a casino to risk it.

    I think if Zhang wins this and gets a title shot at a title then maybe a fight in China is viable as a title on the line might be enough to make it drawn in enough interest from Chinese sports fans who don't normally watch boxing.
     
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  10. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Also, as much as I'll enjoy this matchup again, I'm gonna take the opportunity to say I still really, really hate the concept of immediate rematches. In a day and age when guys are fighting once or twice a year at most, you almost dread upsets cause you know it means an entire year is prolly gonna be eaten up. It's also just plain unfair that some guys gotta win twice to make their win "real."

    But I'm more okay with this one cause the Heavyweight scene has been so dead, I'll take whatever I can get.
     
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  11. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joyce doesn't strike me as someone who can make adjustments. I can't envision a different result.
     
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  12. rusev

    rusev Active Member Full Member

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    Easy win for Joyce on points , he was wining the first match , until that eye swelled.
     
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  13. MAD_PIGE0N

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    :facepalm:
     
  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    More like Zhang has no power. Joyce and a big draw, and he doesn't pull some big numbers or so.
    The fight in China would have been million times bigger.
    Zhang was on the news in China, and everyone knows him.
    They just wanted the fight in UK, so the judges can work their magic as usual.
     
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  15. Scottish

    Scottish Khan(t) take a punch Full Member

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    Zhang is winning this again but more violently this time.
     
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