Zhang vs. Muhammad Ali

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Zhang vs. Muhammad Ali, who wins

  1. Zhang

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  2. Muhammad Ali

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  1. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In a scenario like that, weight is absolutely a factor.

    But you weren’t fighting at a high level, or in the same weight class.

    Also, we have many, many different examples of where smaller fighters beat bigger fighters, based upon their styles and their attributes.

    if you look at someone like Zhang, he’d have found it extremely hard to have gotten close to Ali, like Cooper and Frazier did. And that’s the beauty of boxing. Styles make fights.

    Now Zhang may well have crushed Cooper and beaten Frazier. But that doesn’t mean that he’d have enjoyed the same success against Ali as what they did.

    Zhang has very slow feet.

    He has stamina issues.

    Ali was one of the most elusive fighters of all time, who barely got hit clean in his prime.

    So Zhang would have found it very difficult to have gotten close to Ali in order to have hurt him.

    So your own personal experience needs taking into account, but it is not evidence that Zhang would have beaten Ali.

    Do you think that Zhang would have beaten Usyk and Byrd?

    Again, Usyk is the same size as Ali, with the same level of power.

    Whereas AJ is huge and powerful.

    So how was Usyk able to have beaten AJ TWICE?
     
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    You’re still yet to explain why Ali couldn’t have had success in the modern era, when Usyk and Byrd have.

    So come and tell us.

    Stop ducking the points that have been put to you.

    You’re in the middle of debate.

    Come and defend your position.
     
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    ertwin Active Member banned Full Member

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    i dobt give a solitary damn about any boxer, its just facts. Something you seem to be unable to understand since beeing dik hungry for a fighter seems natural to you
     
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    Gay
     
  6. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you.?...Good to see you have come out of the Closet.!!!
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    What facts?

    Tell us.
     
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    Quit arguing with this troll, as the saying goes he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why are you even here, when you won’t acknowledge the points that have been put to you?

    It’s just one ignorant post after the other, where you’re not even willing to debate and defend your position.

    It’s ban worthy.
     
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    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I’ve debated him many times. The sad thing is, I don’t think he is a troll.

    I just think he’s ignorant and delusional.
     
  11. Fourth_Horseman

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    I never thought that the bar could be any lower but it appears that I am wrong again.
     
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    You are the one sending videos of half naked man and calling then the greatest.
     
  13. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When in reality anyone that really knows this sport, would understand that left hook which Cooper landed on Clay would have floored almost anybody. It was a tremendous punch. This guy seems to think though that Cooper ain't the size of Zhang so it couldn't have much power behind.
     
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  14. Loudon

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    That’s right.

    It’s just casual fan logic.

    He just thinks that Henry dropped Ali, Zhang would have destroyed Cooper, therefore he’d have destroyed Ali too.

    They have no understanding of the stylistic match ups. The fact that Cooper had much faster feet where he was much more mobile etc.

    Zhang would have found it extremely difficult to have tied Ali down.

    I think the funniest thing though, is the guys who are claiming that Ali would have been too small to have competed in the modern era. This is despite the fact that Chris Byrd did, and that Usyk currently has 3 of the 4 main belts, where he’s just beaten AJ TWICE, and where he’s the EXACT same size at what Ali was.

    Ha!

    That’s a special kind of stupid.
     
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  15. The Real Lance

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    HIs defense? Yeah, it was pretty darn good in his prime.