Just lol at the "heavyweights are bigger" b.s Look who the ****ing unified champ is right now! Dumbasses.
I love a good troll, but this is ridiculous. He's beaten a European level fighter and now he's in there with debate on if he could beat Ali LOL
Exactly. Ali would beat _every single fighter in the top 10_. Probably Fury would be the most difficult but he would find a way. The last heavyweight fighter in the modern era whom I would pick against Ali was prime Lennox (98-2000) and even that would be a bold gamble.
May I remind you all that arguably one of the heaviest hitters in heavyweight boxing history, Wilder, has often only been around 210-220lbs. Biggest size doesn't mean better power.
You two are absolutely hopeless. And the irony is, you’re both far more ignorant and biased, than what you claim that guys like me are. Now if you knew ANYTHING about boxing, you’d know that truly great fighters could have fought across ANY era, where they all would have had MIXED SUCCESS depending on how who they’d have matched up with, and how they’d have matched up on the night stylistically. Was Ali superhuman who could beat everyone in history? No! However, due to his incredible gifts in is prime, he’d be favoured over many guys. Has the sport progressed? Yes. Does it progress in a continuous cycle? No. Absolutely not. The proof: There’s a number of whole divisions today that aren’t as great as what they were DECADES ago. A number of HW’s from Ali’s era would have been competitive today. Ali Holmes Frazier Norton Liston Patterson Foreman All of those guys would be in the mix today, where they’d be favoured over many of today’s top 10 guys. Now explain what’s logical in saying that Ali couldn’t have beaten Zhang?? Show me the logic. People favouring Ali at this point, is not being nostalgic or being stuck in the past. He would be favoured based on his ability, his proven resume and how they would have matched up on the night stylistically. Go and educate yourself you ignoramus. Yours and Ertwin’s posts are a complete and utter embarrassment.
If you’ve honestly been here for 16 years, where you believe that Ali couldn’t even have been competitive with a modern HW, then I genuinely feel sorry for you. I’m not even joking. What a waste of your own time. 16 years, and you’ve learnt nothing. SMH.
How am i cherry picking ? i'm giving you an actual example of a smaller Heavyweight being very successful in this era. Who gets by solely on his speed and skills and can't rely on his power. So yes of course you're saying i am cherry picking because it totally contradicts your comment. Ali had 78 inch reach the exact same as Usyk, Ali hit's harder than Usyk with one punch he's had notable stoppages against tough opponents like Foreman, Bonavena, Liston, etc. Ali can take body punches better than Usyk which seems quite a glaring weakness from Usyk. You also can't compare Ali at 35 to Usyk at 35 Ali had fought almost 60 professional fights by the age of 35, and had been in many tough fights against huge punchers. Usyk has only had 21 professional fights which is less than half of Ali's professional fights at the same age. Also what logic have you given about Zhang that i can't follow ? you've gave no substance at all. All you've said is that "Ali can't stop Zhang" amazing logic wow you're so advanced that i can't follow it. A better logic would be Zhang has no gas tank past the 6th round, and the much fitter athletic faster Ali would run rings around Zhang after 6th round against a Zhang who would be totally out of gas. As for your other comments i don't need life lessons from you thanks, i'm doing very well in my life i'm studying to be a personal trainer which i'll be finished with soon. I have a long term girlfriend that i'll be getting engaged to at Christmas time, and i'll be moving into an apartment next year i'm saving up. As for my posts ? it takes me all of 5 mins to make a post like it did with this one. As for refuting any points ? not sure what points you've "refuted" but by all means keep thinking that. I also love how you're lecturing me about my post count. Yet you come on here and like to discredit a great fighter in every topic about him. You said you've been posting on forums for 16 years well you obviously haven't learnt much have you ? To save myself losing anymore brains cells i'm blocking you, so i don't have to waste my time reading the same tiresome Ali hate tripe from you goodbye.
The 'American Heavies from the 60s/70s will never be surpassed' crowd are the most cringe crowd on this forum. - Heavies today are bigger, faster, stronger, have a bigger gas tank. - This is because there are more people boxing (so larger gene pool), with superior diet, exercise, training, and PED regimes We have seen this in EVERY other sport, but for some reason not boxing - interesting. The ONLY argument ever made by this crowd goes along the lines of: P1: Look how many other American Heavies I think are great from the 60s/70s Ali beat. P2: Your guy, in this case Zhang, has never beat any of my African American boxing idols from the 60s/70s. C: Therefore your guy sucks and Ali is the best'. They then call you an idiot. Circular reasoning at its finest.
ali would crumble inside 5, you need to remember Joyce is a modern day foreman and look what zhang did to him.
No the most cringe crowd is people who think bigger is always better, and that everything in the sport now is far superior when it isn't, or the fact that this Heavyweight era is amazing when it isn't. Most of the top 10 Heavyweights are inactive and are on the wrong side of 30, Zhang is 40 for crying out loud with only one notable name on his record who had a grand total of 15 professional fights. Which Heavyweight's are faster name them ? which Heavyweight's have a bigger gas tank name them ? Wilder was gassed early vs Fury in their 3rd fight, Zhang has a poor gas tank after 6 rounds and looked like he was going to collapse vs Hrgovic at the end, your comment makes absolutely no sense. No it's based on how many world class opponents you've beat and Ali beat 20 world ranked opponents. No it's the fact Zhang has beat 1 let me repeat that 1 ranked opponent in his entire career, who had 15 professional fights who was slow with no defence. But yes by all means lets make Zhang a Heavyweight GOAT based on that. Perfect reasoning no one is saying everything in the older era is better, but to think older Heavyweight's can't be competitive at all is an idiotic statement. Especially since Usyk who is built similar to a 70s/80s Heavyweight is considered one of the best Heavyweights now.
Joyce modern day Foreman ? so Joyce has an ATG jab ? high boxing IQ ? ATG power ? if Joyce in a dream thought he was like Foreman he should wake up an apologize.